Unacceptable slander by dclunie

>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 93 17:41:03 CST
>From: dclunie@pax.tpa.com.au (David Clunie)
>To: Postmaster@ultrix.ramapo.edu
>Subject: Unacceptable behaviour by ghabrech
>Cc: root@ultrix.ramapo.edu, ghabrech@ultrix.ramapo.edu, cypherpunks@toad.com
>
>>From one of the very popular mailing lists I received the following posting
>by one of your users. While I can understand his frustration at having
>difficulties unsubscribing from a relatively high volume list, or his
>ignorance at not being aware that such requests should be directed to the
>"x-request" alias not the "x" list, this is no excuse for such a long and
>unpleasant post that has consumed considerable expensive bandwidth for no
>good reason ... I am surprised you tolerate students with such a childish
>attitude on your system and they do no credit to your institution's
>reputation.

  [ abridged quote from metioned user's posting deleted...]

Think about this scenario for a moment: dclunie sends mail to the system
adiministrator of an institution complaining of the mail sent by a
particular user. The system administrator confronts the user, who then
explains the situation. He explains that he has sent numerous requests to
be unsubscribed from the list, but they continue to send large volumes of
mail. Out of frustration, he sends an 80K file to the list hoping it will
get someone's attention. The mail continues, and several members of the
list makes threats of "dirty tricks" and "mail bombs" against him. Now one
of the "cypherpunks" is sending libelous mail to the system administrator.
The system administrator now understands the situation; an educational
institution on the net is made aware of a rapidly developing campaign of
harrassment and vandalism by the cypherpunks. So what happens now? Are the
cypherpunks winning?

Are you people blind to what you are doing? What fools!!!

What upsets me the most about all of this is that I am truly an advocate of
net freedom, privacy, and anonymity. But the cypherpunks is setting itself
up for a big fall and they threaten to tarnish the whole movement toward
net freedom and privacy with their petty, puerile, and vandalous behavior!

-----
Michael Brennan      - mbrennan@netcom.com

#FLAME ON

Michael Brennan writes:
 > Are you people blind to what you are doing? What fools!!!

OK, so you ass*** tell me what I'm doing. And don't
forget to explain, why am I subjected to all this
crap about some ass***ish subscription, and why
my mailbox should receive junk mail from some
irresponsible participants? [Don't tell me,
that I've joined the club - since I have
a grievance with your silly rambling
here, by your logic I'm not liable
for this, you are...]

Uri.
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<Disclaimer>

> Michael Brennan writes:
>  > Are you people blind to what you are doing? What fools!!!
> 
> OK, so you ass*** tell me what I'm doing. 
You are flaming. Get a clue.

>And don't
> forget to explain, why am I subjected to all this
> crap about some ass***ish subscription, and why
> my mailbox should receive junk mail from some
> irresponsible participants? 

You shouldn't have to receive junk mail from anyone. And neither should
anyone else! Why are you so special that you shouldn't have to get junk
mail but others should? If the cypherpunks list simply honored unsubscribe
requests, then no one here would be getting unwanted junk mail. It's really
that simple.

My postings were intended as an appeal for sanity and responsibility on the
part of the cypherpunks, but you seem intent on dragging this whole affair
down to new depths. I have simply tried to call attention to the fact that
there is a problem with cypherpunks-request and that unsubscribe requests are
being ignored. For my own part, I've made several such requests over the course
of about a month. Your arrogant, puerile rantings contribute nothing 
constructive to the situation.

I am glad that other cypherpunks are not sinking to the petty-minded depths
that Uri has chosen to sink to. (And to those that I may have insulted in a 
previous posting, I apologize, but I would hope that you now realize that
promises of "retaliation" against those who just want to unsubscribe was
innappropriate.)

Let's please all try for some civility and sanity and just try to get the 
problem resolved!