An Appeal to Calm

Folks,

Tempers have flared. Angry words have been sent out to the list. We've all
been mail-bombed by an angry member of the list (who wants off--NOW!).

I guess this is our first real flame war--now we're a real mailing list!

But let's not let the current controversy confuse our very real mission,
nor hide the progress we've seen so far (remailers, spread of PGP,
experiments with digital cash, etc.). If we let the list self-destruct
through a few unfortunate incidents, all hope is lost.

* The "unsubscribe" problem will hopefully soon be fixed. Maybe an
automatic handler (like "majordomo," someone suggested) can be installed.

* Mailing lists like this one characteristically have wildy fluctuating
traffic levels. No messages for a couple of days (leading to "Is the list
broken?" queries) and then 50 messages in a single day (leading to "Enough
already! I can't take the volume." messages). Remember, it is the list
membership that is generating the volume, not the list management (such as
it is).

* Some have said the "cypherpricks" list is generating all noise and no
signal. Many of us would disagree. Actual code is being written, deployed,
and experimented with. One bunch is helping with PGP, another is writing
and deploying remailer programs, another is pursuing steganography (hiding
messages). Pretty impressive. Especially for a new mailing list.

* And relatively little flaming is going on. The closest we've come to a
real act of malice was the mail bombing of the list by a disgruntled
member--I won't go into that further. 

* There are serious issues involving the uses and abuses of these various
tools and capabilities. Anonymous postings carry obvious concerns. So does
untraceable electronic mail, with the potential for extortion threats and
even fully-secure markets for assassinations and other crimes. Some of
these issues have been discussed on the list. No doubt some see these
debates as "noise." Well, a mailing list cannot of course only cater to one
particular set of needs.

* If we don't discuss these kinds of issues on this list, who will? The FBI
and NSA undoubtedly. So why not we the people?

I hope things can calm down a bit.

-Tim May



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> Folks,
> 
> Tempers have flared. Angry words have been sent out to the list. We've all
> been mail-bombed by an angry member of the list (who wants off--NOW!).

  [...]

> I hope things can calm down a bit.
> 
> -Tim May

I would hope things would calm down a bit, as well. Sending a massive mail bomb
to the list may have been innappropriate, but so is continuing to send unwanted
mail to a user who has made repeated unsubscribe requests. Why are some of you
insisting on waging a flame war?!! What do you intend to gain from such 
puerility?

I am encouraged that at least some voices of reason are now emerging amidst all
of this, and I would hope that the cypherpunks would try to understand the
frustation of those who have their unsubscribe requests ignored and continue
to receive unwanted mail.

On Fri, 12 Mar 1993, Michael Brennan wrote:

> > Folks,
> > 
> > Tempers have flared. Angry words have been sent out to the list. We've all
> > been mail-bombed by an angry member of the list (who wants off--NOW!).
> 
>   [...]
> 
> > I hope things can calm down a bit.
> > 
> > -Tim May
> 
> I would hope things would calm down a bit, as well. Sending a massive mail bomb
> to the list may have been innappropriate, but so is continuing to send unwanted
> mail to a user who has made repeated unsubscribe requests. Why are some of you
> insisting on waging a flame war?!! What do you intend to gain from such 
> puerility?
> 
> I am encouraged that at least some voices of reason are now emerging amidst all
> of this, and I would hope that the cypherpunks would try to understand the
> frustation of those who have their unsubscribe requests ignored and continue
> to receive unwanted mail.

 You are a fucking prick. There is nothing ANY of us can do to get you off
the list. IF you want off, you'll have to wait. Meanwhile, why don't you
quit posting to the list since you want off so fucking bad?