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Re: Hiding Encrypted Messages

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NODE a157630dRe: Hiding Encrypted Messages
> > 2. Then take an encrypted PGP file and dispurse it bit-by-bit into the
> > LSB (least-significant-bit) of each sample.  This wouldn't distort the
> > sound sample to any extent noticable by the human ear.  Thus each byte
> > of PGP file would be dispursed into 8 bytes of sound file.  Thus if
> > you wanted to send a 20k PGP file, you would have to put it into a
> > 160k music file.
> > If you're ever forced to explain what that file contains (unlikely, since
> > you can always take the Fifth Ammendment) you can just play it on your
> > computer and have the NSA/SS/FBI/Whatever listen to James Brown go
> > "Hyeeeah... I feel good!"
> 
> a) This method has essentially the same complexity, as one-time pad,
>    but without it's strength.
> 

Insert pgp-encrypted (not plaintext) into the sound file...  It's then
no weaker that pgp.

> b) If it's played and recognized - one can trace your source (a CD, a
>    tape of radio broadcast, whatever) and do a comparison. Then the
>    file containing of all the LSBs is cryptanalyzed...

Use a "windows sound system" board and record yourself talking --
No "reference source"... The codec on that board has better than 
two bits of noise per 16 bit word through the ADC channel...

Nice idea, thug!

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NODE 1fca526aRe: Hiding Encrypted Messages
Eric Fogleman writes:
 > > a) This method has essentially the same complexity, as one-time pad,
 > >    but without it's strength.
 > Insert pgp-encrypted (not plaintext) into the sound file...  It's then
 > no weaker that pgp.

Please... I said: "It's as cumbersome, as one-time pad, but
without one-time pad security."  Yes, it can be made as
secure as PGP, but it's still less safe, than
one-time pad.

 > Use a "windows sound system" board and record yourself talking --
 > No "reference source"... The codec on that board has better than
 > two bits of noise per 16 bit word through the ADC channel...

Then you're creating a sort-of one-time pad,  which you now
must convey securely to your correspondent. And this system
is still much less safe, than one-time pad, because of some
possible regularities in the lower bits (now I admit I know
very little of what such a recording would look like, so in
fact it MIGHT be as safe as "real" one-time pad).

Regards,
Uri.
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