NODE fb08f92cANON POLICY: was I`m not
kelly@netcom.com (Kelly Goen)Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:50:43 PST
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> From cypherpunks-request@toad.com Fri Mar 5 13:38:47 1993
> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 16:26:11 -0500
> From: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@Athena.MIT.EDU>
> Message-Id: <9303052126.AA02211@SOS>
> To: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
> Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com
> In-Reply-To: Eric Hughes's message of Fri, 5 Mar 93 12:41:24 -0800,
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> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 12:41:24 -0800
> From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
>
> Existing controls on the signal-to-noise ratio?
>
> Yet this upper bound is ineffectual. Let us take the widely used
> companies and individuals that run them are.
>
> Sure you can; you can protect regional and national networks such as
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> If you cause someone damage by your speech, and you maliciously did so
> knowing that your speech was false, the person you harmed should be able
> to recover damages from you, whether it is done over the phone or done
> over a TCP/IP network.
>
> - Ted
>
>
Fortunately... Libel is a totally ineffectual law for attempting
to impose the kinds of censorship that Ted seems to be espousing.
Libel and slander laws are OFTEN used by the powers that be
(governmental, corporate etc) to silence the oppostion in
matters of human rights, ecology etc...
just because a charge of libel or slander
has been made doesnt mean that the charges are just or proper...
often it is merely an attempt to silence the opposition...
The world of cyberspace crossing without form international
boundaries for now is a shield against censorship due to the
complex legalities involved... remailers in seperate countries
careful chosen offer complete protection against Ted and his loyal opposition.
(your cabal ted... :) BTW: for me... control=censorship,interdiction etc...
cheers
kelly
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NODE 816524e5Re: ANON POLICY: was I`m not
Theodore Ts'o <tytso@Athena.MIT.EDU>Fri, 5 Mar 93 15:37:17 PST
From: kelly@netcom.com (Kelly Goen)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 93 14:49:20 PST
Fortunately... Libel is a totally ineffectual law for attempting
to impose the kinds of censorship that Ted seems to be espousing.
Libel and slander laws are OFTEN used by the powers that be
(governmental, corporate etc) to silence the oppostion in
matters of human rights, ecology etc...
There's a good reason for that. The reason why Libel exists is not to
impose censorship!
The powers that be may *abuse* libel and slander laws in attempt to
silence The Opposition, but the mere potential for abuse isn't grounds
to say that those laws shouldn't exist. If you do make that argument,
then by the same token, *remailers* shouldn't exist because of their
potential for abuse. :-)
- Ted