Re: CERT: the letter from CERT to berkeley.edu admin

and what do you make of their report on julf's non-existent
ftp area?

steve, you know me well; you know i'm not a raving lunatic or
or a conspiracy-freak nut-case.  but i believe it is more
than a coincidence that soda and penet were suddenly tarred by
the same brush.

perhaps cert is being used as a weapon, as marc suggested.  that
is the most benign interpretation i can think of.  so i ask you
again:  don't you think cert might be jeopardizing its effectiveness
through these actions?

	peter

>> perhaps cert is being used as a weapon, as marc suggested.  that
>> is the most benign interpretation i can think of.  so i ask you
>> again:  don't you think cert might be jeopardizing its effectiveness
>> through these actions?

"Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity."  Without support, I think CERT is merely being stupid.
Someone else (maybe even a government employee) is being malicious.  I
do think cert is harming their effectiveness by doing this.  My guess
is that they never stopped to think that someone might use them in
this way to shut down an "unpopular" ftp site.

		Marc

To quote: Marc Horowitz <marc@GZA.COM>
> "Do not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
> stupidity."  Without support, I think CERT is merely being stupid.
> Someone else (maybe even a government employee) is being malicious.  I
> do think cert is harming their effectiveness by doing this.  My guess
> is that they never stopped to think that someone might use them in
> this way to shut down an "unpopular" ftp site.
> 

Sounds like this thread is getting too soft on CERT:

For soda, the mail went to someone@soda....

For Julf's machine, it went to his NETWORK PROVIDER.  (This is not a
courteous move, nor was it intended to be.)

	Stig

/* Jonathan Stigelman, Stig@netcom.com, PGP public key by finger  */
/* fingerprint = 32 DF B9 19 AE 28 D1 7A  A3 9D 0B 1A 33 13 4D 7F */

>For soda, the mail went to someone@soda....

The first CERT letter was sent to a contact for the berkeley.edu
domain, not to soda.  This original recipient then forwarded the mail
to root@soda, which is aliased to a number of people.  The root who
turned off the directory is not the same one who finally forwarded me
the CERT letter.

In short, they went over Julf's head, and they went over mine.

Eric

Eric why dont you move the cypherpunk anonymous ftp site to your own 
system on the internet and be free of UCB's influence.


			-Pete