McCarthy lives!

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On Tue, 8 Jun 93 3:33:26 PDT,
 Timothy C. May <uunet!netcom.com!tcmay> wrote -
 
> At a Bay Area party for hacker types in December, 1988, I was
> talking to a guy with longstanding computer security
> connections. He looked at me strangely and said something like
> "Well, Tim, your name just came up in Washington on a list of
> the most dangerous hackers in the country." I laughed it off
> and asked him why--after all, I'm not considered to much of a
> programmer by anyone _I_ know. He wouldn't elaborate, just
> looked at me strangely.
 
 Funny you should mention that scenario. I've been hearing (through
 the proverbial grapevine, of course) that such a McCarthy-ist list
 does indeed exist. Of course, it _is_ rumour and should be discounted
 as such. Right? ;-)
 
 
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> talking to a guy with longstanding computer security
> connections. He looked at me strangely and said something like
> "Well, Tim, your name just came up in Washington on a list of
> the most dangerous hackers in the country." I laughed it off

Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request.
It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies.  You get all
records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions -- and
for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding.  If you
can identify one or a small number of agencies that might be keeping
this "list", we can see if you are on it.  And if we find the list, we
can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom of Information Act.

	John

John Gilmore writes:

> > talking to a guy with longstanding computer security
> > connections. He looked at me strangely and said something like
> > "Well, Tim, your name just came up in Washington on a list of
> > the most dangerous hackers in the country." I laughed it off
> 
> Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request.
> It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies.  You get all
> records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions -- and
> for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding.  If you
> can identify one or a small number of agencies that might be keeping
> this "list", we can see if you are on it.  And if we find the list, we
> can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom of Information Act.

I'll take John up on his kind offer! 

Though I expressed that to me this experience was kind of funny (in a
devil-may-care way, I hope you all understand), it *does* raise larger
issues of whether CERT is developing list of what might be called
"subversives" based on hearsay evidence and innuendo.

So, I'll try to pursue this and keep you folks posted.

-Tim


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According to John Gilmore:

> Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request.
> It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies.  You get all
> records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions -- and
> for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding.  If you
> can identify one or a small number of agencies that might be keeping
> this "list", we can see if you are on it.  And if we find the list, we
> can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom of Information Act.

I would think a quick tutorial on this would be of general interest.  Could you
find some time....?  Thanx in advance.
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> Tim, I'll be glad to teach you how to file a Privacy Act request.
> It's pretty simple, and it works on all Federal agencies.  You get
> all records they are keeping on you, with some limited exceptions --
> and for almost all of those, you get notified of the withholding.
> If you can identify one or a small number of agencies that might
> be keeping this "list", we can see if you are on it.  And if we
> find the list, we can probably get the whole thing under the Freedom
> of Information Act.

I'd be very interested in hearing more on this...


brad