Re: REMAIL: pasting

hughes@ah.com (Eric Hughes) said:
>Yet RFC-822 is followed as much in the breach as in the observance.

Not only that, but it is woefully shortsighted. For instance, when
I reply to messages from email lists, sometimes I want to reply to
the list, and sometimes to the originator. The variations in
RFC-822 *compliant* email list headers are staggering; I have yet
to see any mail software that understands the variety of syntactically-
parseable signals that show that something is from a list, and allows
me to easily reply to either the list or the sender.

This is a technically trivial wish. It could be done, at least to the
95% mark, even as things stand. But NOOOOOoooo. :-)

Similar comments apply to saving things interactively. I'm about to
try procmail for non-interactive uses, but I still haven't seen a mailer
that lets me say e.g. "(save (from cypherpunks | to cypherpunks |
cc cypherpunks | Bcc cypherpunks | "From " cypherpunks) > savefile) & delete

Maybe I'm just email-challenged. Suggestions?
	Doug

> Not only that, but it is woefully shortsighted. For instance, when
> I reply to messages from email lists, sometimes I want to reply to
> the list, and sometimes to the originator. The variations in
> RFC-822 *compliant* email list headers are staggering; I have yet
> to see any mail software that understands the variety of syntactically-
> parseable signals that show that something is from a list, and allows
> me to easily reply to either the list or the sender.

Yeah. I am amazed that people don't get it right. My server sends out
messages looking like this:

	From: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi
	Reply-To: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi
	Sender: anon@anon.penet.fi

And there are _lots_ of systems out there that send te reply to
"anon@anon.penet.fi"! Elm and VMSMail are the most obvious ones.

> Similar comments apply to saving things interactively. I'm about to
> try procmail for non-interactive uses, but I still haven't seen a mailer
> that lets me say e.g. "(save (from cypherpunks | to cypherpunks |
> cc cypherpunks | Bcc cypherpunks | "From " cypherpunks) > savefile) & delete
> 
> Maybe I'm just email-challenged. Suggestions?

Try mh. It does all that.

	Julf

>Yeah. I am amazed that people don't get it right. My server sends out
>messages looking like this:

>	   From: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi
>	   Reply-To: anXXXXX@anon.penet.fi
>	   Sender: anon@anon.penet.fi

>And there are _lots_ of systems out there that send te reply to
>"anon@anon.penet.fi"! Elm and VMSMail are the most obvious ones.

Even worse, there are mailers that respond to the out-of-band sender
information that appears in the first line (not in the header!) as the
"From " information.

Bounce message (almost) always go back to the out-of-band sender, so
we changed the cypherpunks list alias on toad.com to generate that as
the out-of-band sender.  Now bounce message return to a different
mailbox and my inbox at toad.com is clear for regular list
maintenance.

Nonetheless, I still get a number of attempted posts to the mailing
list at large _and_ requests for list maintenance (?!) to the
owner-cypherpunks alias.

If only mail software were consistent, ...

Eric