NODE 6f5be535Let's Talk About Solutions
gtoal@an-teallach.com (Graham Toal)Wed, 1 Dec 93 11:38:14 PST
In article <199311291601.LAA15061@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org "Mike Godwin" writes:
> For some, adequate solutions may already be in place. But I note that for
> "mere users" (as distinct from sophisticated users and programmers),
> current filtering tools are difficult to use. What can make this better?
So, you have an objection to the net evolving into a technocratic class
system? I see nothing wrong with letting people suffer who haven't the
competancy to protect themselves for net.idiots. That's practically the
entire basis of the Amercian enconomic system after all...
G
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NODE 325936f5Re: Let's Talk About Solutions
Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org>Wed, 1 Dec 93 12:22:25 PST
Graham Toal writes:
> So, you have an objection to the net evolving into a technocratic class
> system?
Well, yes. To the extent that tools remain the province of the elite,
it is politically easy to take them away from that elite.
--Mike
NODE c88fbc4fRe: Let's Talk About Solutions
jkreznar@ininx.com (John E. Kreznar)Thu, 2 Dec 93 03:43:24 PST
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> Graham Toal writes:
> > So, you have an objection to the net evolving into a technocratic class
> > system?
> Well, yes. To the extent that tools remain the province of the elite,
> it is politically easy to take them away from that elite.
The cypherpunks welcome message (Eric Hughes, I suppose) seems to apply
here:
> Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must
> create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or
> other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of
> beneficence.
So a cypherpunk strives to construct an effective technical defense
against the tyranny of the majority so that it is not ``politically
easy'' to deprive him of his privacy.
John E. Kreznar | Relations among people to be by
jkreznar@ininx.com | mutual consent, or not at all.
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NODE 4e13fca3Re: Let's Talk About Solutions
Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org>Thu, 2 Dec 93 05:32:28 PST
John Kreznar writes:
> against the tyranny of the majority so that it is not ``politically
> easy'' to deprive him of his privacy.
>
That's part of it. But the other part is providing tools that everyone,
not just cypherpunks, can use.
--Mike