NODE e4f8a9b4Crypto not being used where needed
Mike Ingle <MIKEINGLE@delphi.com>Sun, 9 Jan 94 20:35:04 PST
At CES someone was showing a cellular credit card machine. It had an
antenna and a regular card reader, and was battery powered, so it could
be used anywhere. The machine was designed to be used in taxicabs,
at swapmeets, and wherever there were no phone lines available.
I asked the rep about its security - does it use encryption? No, it does
not use encryption. It sends your credit card number and expiration date
over the cellular link in clear. Most credit card machines use low-speed
modems which are trivial to intercept. This one is probably no exception.
Here is a case where DES is badly needed and not being used. If this
machine becomes popular, thieves will be trailing taxicabs with scanners
and tape recorders.
NODE e04362ddRe: Crypto not being used where needed
"Philippe Nave" <pdn@dwroll.dw.att.com>Mon, 10 Jan 94 10:41:34 PST
Mike Ingle writes :
>
> At CES someone was showing a cellular credit card machine. It had an
> antenna and a regular card reader, and was battery powered, so it could
> be used anywhere. The machine was designed to be used in taxicabs,
> at swapmeets, and wherever there were no phone lines available.
>
> I asked the rep about its security - does it use encryption? No, it does
> not use encryption. It sends your credit card number and expiration date
> over the cellular link in clear. Most credit card machines use low-speed
> modems which are trivial to intercept. This one is probably no exception.
> Here is a case where DES is badly needed and not being used. If this
> machine becomes popular, thieves will be trailing taxicabs with scanners
> and tape recorders.
>
Although I sincerely agree that the data should be encrypted, is it really
that easy to intercept cellular phone calls? I thought you had to go to
considerably more effort than programming a scanner to pick up these
transmissions - I don't know much about cellular phones, but I thought they
hopped frequencies and so forth such that it was a real pain to listen in.
The reason I ask is that I have a buddy who works for local law enforcement.
His group is about to roll out a network of laptops in their cars, linked
by modem to the AS/400 that serves as their gateway to NCIC. We've talked
about how easy it is to intercept/spoof transmissions in the clear on a
single channel, but we both figured it would be considerably more difficult
to intercept cellular calls. Given the level of understanding of the fuzz,
they'll probably slap a Hayes modem on their Barney Fife Cop Car Radios
anyway, and I'll gleefully try to trap their transmissions.... just as an
exercise, of course, to educate them as to the error of their ways...
Seriously, folks, this issue is a valid one. If [insert favorite bogeyman
here] can dial a scanner and pick up credit card numbers, vehicle and
driver's license data, and criminal histories, our privacy is due for
another beating. The way I got my friend's attention was to ask whether the
police department is liable for revealing private information - in other
words, if Charles Manson grabs my license data off the cops' data net, can
I sue the cops?
--
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Philippe D. Nave, Jr. | The person who does not use message encryption
pdn@dwroll.dw.att.com | will soon be at the mercy of those who DO...
Denver, Colorado USA | PGP public key: by arrangement.
NODE 8f35ea2cRe: Crypto not being used where needed
pat@tstc.edu (Patrick E. Hykkonen)Mon, 10 Jan 94 11:36:34 PST
> Although I sincerely agree that the data should be encrypted, is it really
> that easy to intercept cellular phone calls? I thought you had to go to
> considerably more effort than programming a scanner to pick up these
> transmissions - I don't know much about cellular phones, but I thought they
> hopped frequencies and so forth such that it was a real pain to listen in.
Technically it is that easy. Cellular phones only "hop frequencies"
when they are mobile. In other words as I am driving along the
highway my phone is changing frequencies as I change cells. If I am
stationary, however, my phone will most likely stay on one frequency
within that cell. However, the MTSO (Mobile Telephone Switching
Office) may command my phone to change to a different frequency if
another user moves into my cell and the MTSO "decides" that my current
frequency would be better allocated to the other user.
In any case, there are two solutions to tracking the frequency of a
particular cellular user. First, and most expensive. Get the users
ESN (Electronic Serial Number) from the phone and listen in on the
control channel. I do not know how the control data is modulated on
the control frequency, but once you can decode that data you can "see"
the MTSO command the phone to change frequencies and cells. Secondly,
simply get a frequency counter and a yagi antenna. By pointing the
antenna at the cellular antenna you should be able to get the
frequency the phone is currently on. When the phone switches
frequencies, simply follow the same procedure. Labor intensive, but
cheap! Note, these are general ideas based on what I know about
cellular. I am most definetely *not* an expert on cellular technology.
> The reason I ask is that I have a buddy who works for local law enforcement.
> His group is about to roll out a network of laptops in their cars, linked
> by modem to the AS/400 that serves as their gateway to NCIC. We've talked
> about how easy it is to intercept/spoof transmissions in the clear on a
> single channel, but we both figured it would be considerably more difficult
> to intercept cellular calls. Given the level of understanding of the fuzz,
> they'll probably slap a Hayes modem on their Barney Fife Cop Car Radios
> anyway, and I'll gleefully try to trap their transmissions.... just as an
> exercise, of course, to educate them as to the error of their ways...
>
> Seriously, folks, this issue is a valid one. If [insert favorite bogeyman
> here] can dial a scanner and pick up credit card numbers, vehicle and
> driver's license data, and criminal histories, our privacy is due for
> another beating. The way I got my friend's attention was to ask whether the
> police department is liable for revealing private information - in other
> words, if Charles Manson grabs my license data off the cops' data net, can
> I sue the cops?
I would be willing to bet that it would be "fairly" easy for the
average techie to be able to intercept and decode your PD's data. And
only a "little" more difficult to spoof one of the mobile data
terminals. If they are using off-the-shelf hardware then you can
assume that you could buy the same hardware!
--
Pat Hykkonen ** N5NPL ** pat@tstc.edu ** CNSA ** (817) 867-4831
"The pen is mightier than the sword! And my pen is bigger than your pen!"
- Jason Henderson, the emenintly quotable
NODE f063c170Re: Crypto not being used where needed
karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)Mon, 10 Jan 94 19:31:38 PST
There are several commercially available "RF service monitors" with
option modules specifically designed for AMPS (the North American
cellular standard). Manufacturers include IFR, HP and Marconi.
Among many other things, these monitors can be programmed to monitor
cellular access channels. Whenever someone nearby hits the SEND key on
their phone, the monitor instantly displays the called number, the
user's MIN (phone number) and ESN (electronic serial
number). Furthermore, it can be told to automatically follow the
conversation channel assignment message and any subsequent handoff
messages.
Or the unit can be programmed to monitor the forward paging link for
pages (land-to-mobile) calls directed to any particular mobile. When a
page is found, the unit can again switch to the appropriate
conversation channel and follow the conversation through any
subsequent handoffs. You do, of course, have to remain physically
close enough to the mobile in question to be able to hear the same
cell sites it is using.
As a manufacturer of cellular phones, we have legitimate need for such
units in testing our phones. We had one of these units in house a
while back and I had a chance to play with it. I can attest to its
effectiveness. It's not cheap, of course, but if we can afford one,
than so can any motivated government agency.
Phil
NODE 8f57b3c8Crypto not being used where needed
Eric Blossom <eb@srlr14.sr.hp.com>Mon, 10 Jan 94 14:46:36 PST
> Although I sincerely agree that the data should be encrypted, is it really
> that easy to intercept cellular phone calls?
In a word, yes.