// COMPLETE THREAD

Re: New remailer up

4 expanded posts ยท every known parent and child

NODE b11b7d14Re: New remailer up
I haven't really kept track of which remailers are how reliable;
they're almost all relatively new and experimental,
people are hacking software, they go up and down a lot,
and I almost never use them anyway.  I also don't like
keeping track of the syntax and which ::'s are followed by which ##s :-)

Julf's anon.penet.fi remailer is serious; he's done a lot of work
to get a private machine, payng for a reasonably expensive
64kbps line himself, and has it located somewhere that only 3 people know.
(The original was located at a university, and somebody decided
they wanted it Closed.)  It's also outside the US, which is useful,
.  On the other hand, it works differently than the one-way anonymous remailers,
uses up a substantial fraction of the net.bandwidth into FInland,
and costs him real bucks - somebody ought to start a US equivalent
and deload him.

I'd guess tht extropia is also probably well-run, or at least 
has good features.  But I haven't used it.
NODE 0b30222fNew remailer up
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

> Julf's anon.penet.fi remailer is serious; he's done a lot of work
> to get a private machine, payng for a reasonably expensive
> 64kbps line himself, and has it located somewhere that only 3 people know.

How can this be?  What about the people who operate his connection point
to the net?  Wouldn't they know where his machine is located?  What is
the physical embodiment of his 64kbps line?  Can't that line be traced
to its terminus?

	John E. Kreznar		| Relations among people to be by
	jkreznar@ininx.com	| mutual consent, or not at all.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.3a

iQCVAgUBLVIJS8Dhz44ugybJAQHzdAP+JXuFhoq8mksb733rTgfLQJMVZrLzZsjI
qxRd+ijfS7EjqELajoNivY+gOjvjJ6V1LpXhTTnC+1Zkcaf6C7JK+qgLuH3GbrQp
XkWMeuoIxw3ThyVAYF6mFqPQ5ARAda+HckMeTRS/Cm3Nl2p6LK8s2c1lxbXWg/Dl
C5ZLsqF6dWY=
=UlVb
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
NODE e294d7e8Re: New remailer up
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> > Julf's anon.penet.fi remailer is serious; he's done a lot of work
> > to get a private machine, payng for a reasonably expensive
> > 64kbps line himself, and has it located somewhere that only 3 people know.
> 
> How can this be?  What about the people who operate his connection point
> to the net?  Wouldn't they know where his machine is located?  What is
> the physical embodiment of his 64kbps line?  Can't that line be traced
> to its terminus?

That started me down an interesting line of thought...

You can get spread spectrum radio/data modems that do 256Kbits/sec
(Cylink) and can go up to 30 Miles.  It is unlicensed in the US
because it is limited to .8watts (I think).  I believe 10 miles is the
limit with an omnidirectional antenna.  Spread spectrum should be
pretty hard to triangulate on.  Remember that the technology came from
unjammable military radios.

I think you'd have to have a fairly sophisticated scanner to even pick
it up.

Using a creative arrangement, this could provide a good cover for
physical location.  (If you could get the server in the back of a city
bus or something...)

> 	John E. Kreznar		| Relations among people to be by
> 	jkreznar@ininx.com	| mutual consent, or not at all.

sdw
-- 
Stephen D. Williams  Local Internet Gateway Co.; SDW Systems 513 496-5223APager
LIG dev./sales       Internet: sdw@lig.net sdw@meaddata.com
OO R&D Source Dist.  By Horse: 2464 Rosina Dr., Miamisburg, OH 45342-6430
Comm. Consulting     ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together
NODE 48da318eRe: New remailer up
>You can get spread spectrum radio/data modems that do 256Kbits/sec
>(Cylink) and can go up to 30 Miles.  It is unlicensed in the US
>because it is limited to .8watts (I think).  I believe 10 miles is the
>limit with an omnidirectional antenna.  Spread spectrum should be
>pretty hard to triangulate on.  Remember that the technology came from
>unjammable military radios.

>I think you'd have to have a fairly sophisticated scanner to even pick
>it up.

Not quite. Very few, if any, Part 15 spread spectrum modems do automatic
transmitter power control, and as a result they generally run much more
power than necessary. That makes you much easier to spot. It also
pollutes the spectrum.

Even spread spectrum transmitters with tight power control (e.g, our
IS-95 cellular system) are easily detected (though not demodulated)
with simple AM scanners when you're close enough. Especially when the
mobile in question is a long way from the cell and transmitting near
full power as a result.

On the other hand, if you're not close, any particular mobile will be
drowned out by the several dozen others sharing the same channel.

Phil