ADMIN: list statistics

I gathered some list statistics for the subscriber base as of
Thursday, February 3, 1994, 12:00 noon.

657 subscription addresses total. 49 contain the string 'cypher' and
are suspected gateways, either to individuals or large groups, so the
exact amount is extremely hard to pin down.

Here are the subscribers, broken down by top-level domain

 300 com	USA commercial
 204 edu	USA educational
  25 org	USA organizational
  18 ca		Canada
  15 net	networks
  13 us		USA geographical
  10 uk		United Kingdom
   9 uucp	UUCP links
   8 se		Sweden
   7 gov	USA government
   7 au		Australia
   6 fi		Finland
   5 no		Norway
   4 de		Denmark
   3 mil	USA military
   3 it		Italy
   2 fido	Fidonet
   2 za		South Africa
   2 mx		Mexico
   1 ve		Venezuela
   1 su		USSR (er, someone call a NIC)
   1 si		( ? Slovenia ? )
   1 sg		Singapore
   1 nl		Netherlands
   1 jp		Japan
   1 in		India
   1 ie		Ireland
   1 hk		Hong Kong
   1 gb		United Kingdom
   1 fr		France
   1 es		Spain
   1 ee		?
   1 ec		Ecuador

If anybody knows for sure where SI and EE are, I'd love to know.  My
list of ISO country codes is a little old.

Here are the top individual domain names.  We can see who has market
share, at least.

  51 netcom.com
  16 aol.com
   9 mcimail.com
   8 well.sf.ca.us
   7 delphi.com
   6 world.std.com
   5 umich.edu
   5 shell.portal.com
   5 microsoft.com
   5 cleveland.Freenet.Edu
   5 CompuServe.COM
   4 phantom.com
   4 panix.com
   4 gnu.ai.mit.edu
   4 crl.com
   4 apple.com
   3 ucsu.Colorado.EDU
   3 toad.com
   3 prodigy.com
   3 nyx.cs.du.edu
   3 mason1.gmu.edu
   3 engin.umich.edu
   3 ecf.toronto.edu
   3 anon.penet.fi
   3 access.digex.com
   3 CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU

Happy lack of trails.

Eric

hughes@ah.com (Eric Hughes)  writes:
>
>    1 si		( ? Slovenia ? )  

   Yep, this is correct.

>    1 ee		?

   This is estonia.


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FIRST CYPHERPUNKS VIRTUAL MEETING AT BAYMOO

     The first cypherpunks virtual conference will be held at BayMOO on
Wednesday, February 9, at 8pm PST (11 EST).  To get there:
       telnet (or use a client) mud.crl.com 8888
 Follow instructions for login. Type help for any topic when you get into
the MOO.  @go Cypherpunk Central to get to the main room, then type HALL
to get to the conference hall. 
   One of the virtues of this hall is that there can be large scale AND
small scale discussions going on at the same time. Here, briefly, is how
it works: 
  A. People login and go the Cypherpunk Hall
  B. One person can assume the facilitator's chair. This allows the
facilitator to set several options for the room's function.
  C. In one mode, the facilitator allows open conversation: any can speak,
and all can be heard. 
  D. In another mode, the facilitator sets the allowable number of
speakers. Those wishing to speak must request permission from the
facilitator, who can set the number anywhere from one on up.  Those
wishing to speak must request, and are given a place in line; when any of
the current speakers yield, the next in line move up automatically to
speaker status.
 E. BUT -- and here is the ingenious feature of this
conference room-- folks can sit in any of 8 rows.  If they speak while
sitting in those rows and the room is in facilitated mode, only those
sitting in their row can hear them.  The net effect is that small
conversations can take place within the larger room, but they do not
interrupt the main course of the moderated discussion. 
   F. In addition, the virtual meeting room also has a built-in [about]
function. This feature allows all participants to indicate, by a bracketed
phrase in front of their names, the topic under discussion. In this way,
if the subject begins to drift, explicit acknowledgement of the change
can be made in the [about] header. Example: 
 
   agore [about clipperchips]: So you see, we really have your
                               welfare at heart.
   hthoreau [about clipperchips]: I decline your help.
   agore [about help]: Are you arguing that the government should 
                       just let illicit operations take place unmonitored?
  hthoreau [about interference]: That depends...


  This conference hall is still beta, so be patient if buglets appear. 
  I'll also try to put in a virtual bar for more laid-back chat.  The bar 
will be connected to Cypherpunk Central. Just examine the bartender to 
see how to order drinks -- or to concoct your own.
  Hope to see you there!

Is a MOO really the best method to carry out the virtual meeting?  My 
expierience has been that they are most unfriendly, espicially if you are 
clientless.

I'd think a series of IRC channels would work better, but maybe I'm wrong.

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> Is a MOO really the best method to carry out the virtual meeting?  My 
> expierience has been that they are most unfriendly, espicially if you are 
> clientless.
> 
> I'd think a series of IRC channels would work better, but maybe I'm wrong.

Have to agree 100%.

	Julf

>      The first cypherpunks virtual conference will be held at BayMOO on
> Wednesday, February 9, at 8pm PST (11 EST).  To get there:

Count me out. Yes, I like to participate in physical Cypherpunks
meetings. Yes, I like to participate over e-mail. If I really have
to, I can waste time using IRC. But I do *not* have enough patience
to hang out in any cute virtual restroom line in some virtual bar
in some virtual game... We already have enough of the dreaded
freenet virtual cafe stuff around - it's like using virtual punched
cards.... Ack!

	Julf

In-reply-to: Your message dated: Thu, 03 Feb 1994 15:19:11 PST
>    1 si		( ? Slovenia ? )

Good. :)

Yeah, it's Slovenia. :)

Tomaz

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On Thu, 3 Feb 1994, Eric Hughes wrote:

>    1 si		( ? Slovenia ? )
>    1 ee		?

> If anybody knows for sure where SI and EE are, I'd love to know.  My
> list of ISO country codes is a little old.

si =	Slovenia (you were right)
ee = 	Estonia

Source:  The Big Dummy's Guide to the Internet
	 Adam Gaffin and Jorg Heitkotter
	 Available at ftp.eff.org


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Followups to me have yielded the following info:

SI = Slovenia
EE = Estonia

One subscriber each.

Thanks to Tomaz and Stephen for the info.

Eric