Re: Locating Color Copiers

John C. Brice muttered something about...
::
::The Secret Service is a division of the Treasury Department.  One of their
::main duties is tracking down counterfeiters.  If someone has stolen a color
::copy machine, there's a very good chance that it was stolen for the end
::purpose of counterfeiting.  So I would imagine that that would be why the
::SS would be looking for this particular stolen property.  Make sense?

That's ridiculous.  I hate to start a flame-war, but if I decided that I
desperately needed a color copier but didn't want to spend that money and
figured I'd just steal one, why would there be a good chance that I'd be
doing this to start a counterfeiting process?  Maybe I just want to make
color copies.  If you truly believe that this would be the main impetus for
anyone stealing on of these devices you're thinking in the same ballpark as
those who we fight against with cryptography.

Additionally, it's only possible to photocopy $1, $5 and $10 because anything
larger than that has that funny little strip of plastic in the bill.


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Excerpts from internet.cypherpunks: 18-Mar-94 Re: Locating Color Copiers
 by stevenJ@alpha1.csd.uwm.e 
> Additionally, it's only possible to photocopy $1, $5 and $10 because anything
> larger than that has that funny little strip of plastic in the bill.

Actually, they have strips on the tens, too.

Re: passing bills
Okay, so the 10's and 20's have little mylar strips on them.
You can't copy old bills, because they get wrinkles, and, anyway, if
someone handed me a crisp, new 1983 $20 I'd get a bit suspicious. There
are ways to age bills, but they look a lot less convincing.
However....
What night manager at Denny's knows about the strips. How many times
have you seen someone at your local convience store check for the strip
when you hand them a $20. If you travel a lot, and never use counterfiet
bills for transactions where your name is recorded, you can do lots with
counterfiet money.
True, though, if you wanted to sell suitcases of it for $3 per twenty
dollar bill (I just guessed at the price), you may have a problem.

Not a crook,
Jer

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Jeremiah A Blatz says:
> Re: passing bills
> Okay, so the 10's and 20's have little mylar strips on them.
> You can't copy old bills, because they get wrinkles, and, anyway, if
> someone handed me a crisp, new 1983 $20 I'd get a bit suspicious.

And why is that, Mr. Blatz?

Every bill in my wallet is crisp and new. Crisp new bills are favored
by banks for their bank machines, and virtually every bill other than
$1 and $5s in circulation here in New York was spit out by a bank
machine.

People on this list are remarkably insular -- everyone here seems to
think "the way it is in my town is the way it is everywhere".

In some places in this country, $20s are extremely common and all of
them are clean and well pressed. In some places this is not the case.
Don't assume your local conditions hold everywhere.

Now can we get back to cryptography?

.pm