NODE 61d52754Re: Remailer Musings
juola@bruno.cs.colorado.eduWed, 20 Apr 94 08:59:25 PDT
Does anyone have a cite to support the notion that common carriers are
obligated to assist in the identification of users of their services?
I got it at the January '94 USENIX tutorial on Internet and the Law.
Given that it's still being taught, it should be no problem for anyone
with interest to confirm that.
I received annoying phone calls for a period of time, and the local phone
company (US West) said they'd only get involved once I had an "incident
number" (or some such) from the police department, and that information
gathered would only be released to the police. I suppose if I actually
filed a civil suit against the harassing party (even as a John Doe?) I
could then use the discovery process to compel them to release their
relevant records - but that's not really the scenario that Brad and
'kitten' seem to imagine.
Um, speaking for myself and not Brad, that's exactly the situation where
this sort of thing would be problematic. Copyright infringement is a
criminal offence as well as a civil tort. So if Brad (or the newswire)
wanted to push it, they could try to haul the remailer operator into
court. And if he claimed to be a "common carrier," he's supposed to help.
If he's unable (read, unwilling by design) to help, then it's possible
that a judge could find that he's not a common carrier and therefore liable.
Of course, I'm not a lawyer myself. And the law, in its infinite majesty,
can do strange things. I personally believe that remailer operators
should be considered to be common carriers, but that's a very tricky
proposition to justify in a court.
- kitten
NODE 02df7ddfRe: Remailer Musings
"Perry E. Metzger" <perry@snark.imsi.com>Wed, 20 Apr 94 09:10:34 PDT
juola@bruno.cs.colorado.edu says:
> If he's unable (read, unwilling by design) to help, then it's possible
> that a judge could find that he's not a common carrier and therefore liable.
Of course, the phone company is unable (read, unable by design) to
help every day -- ask them sometime who called you at 10pm last
Tuesday even WITH a court order some time.
> Of course, I'm not a lawyer myself.
As you yourself note, you aren't. Personally, I'd rather leave this to
folks like Mike Godwin who are.
Perry