Re: Milgram & Authority (+Ethics)

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From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@snark.imsi.com>

bill.stewart@pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204 says:
>> On the other hand, it may be that the time you heard Milgram speaking
>> wasn't the *first* time he'd given his talk - he's probably
>> spoken on the topic a few gazillion times, especially if he's
>> talking to college audiences...

>Mr. Davis has stated that he heard him presenting his paper on the
>subject, which initially implied that Davis was there when Milgram was
>presenting the original research.

And Mr. Davis made that implication out of complete ignorance.  I am not
an acadamian.  I am semi-retired, and was quitely living out my life in
Wyoming until John Perry Barlow declared revolutionary war in cyberspace.
Now I'm hanging out with Math PhD's and hardware engineers marveling at 
the acceleration of my learning curve.

Thank you sincerly for the education, Perry.  I appologize for my ignorance
leading me to be dishonest.  Standing corrected, I will be honest about
meeting Milgram during a presentation on ethics in human experimentation.
In respect to the inevitability of future stupidity on my part, I will
immediately post a public admission of my error as I did now.  r.

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Jeff Davis says:
> I am semi-retired, and was quitely living out my life in
> Wyoming until John Perry Barlow declared revolutionary war in cyberspace.

I was unaware that a revolutionary war was in progress. Perhaps
everyone is using silenced guns. I was especially unaware that John
Perry Barlow had declared one -- presumably he intends to personally
secede from the union? -- but doubtless YOU have heard such, Mr.
Davis. Naturally, with your privileged status as an EFF member, (which
you claim to have taken great steps to authenticate to the press) you
get all sorts of things, like license to kill, full diplomatic
immunity, a license to carry fully automatic variables, and status as
a reserve unix kernel (C2 security clearance) in the cyberspace
revolutionary militia.

However, some of the rest of us are unaware that John Perry Barlow has
declared a revolutionary war in cyberspace -- possibly even Barlow is
unaware of the fact -- and are doomed to remain covered with the
shroud of ignorance. Have you considered that we might be happier that
way?

Perry

On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Perry E. Metzger wrote:

> 
> Jeff Davis says:
> > I am semi-retired, and was quitely living out my life in
> > Wyoming until John Perry Barlow declared revolutionary war in cyberspace.
> 
	(some funny stuff deleted)

> 
> However, some of the rest of us are unaware that John Perry Barlow has
> declared a revolutionary war in cyberspace -- possibly even Barlow is
> unaware of the fact -- and are doomed to remain covered with the
> shroud of ignorance. Have you considered that we might be happier that
> way?
> 
> Perry
> 

Dear Perry:
	From my point of view it was obvious that Jeff was speaking 
figuratively about the JP Barlowe declaration of war.  Such was most 
likely a mere attempt at a funny.  You do have a knack for nitpickiness, 
perhaps I should get myself a lawyer before posting in your presence, 
otherwise I fear your accute sense of perfection and astounding formality 
would overwhelm me.  Better make sure my sentences are all complete, and 
that I capitolize and spell properly for fear of recieving a dread Perry 
letter.  Take your personal piss-war with Jeff to private mail please, it 
seems that the majority of your posts in reply to him are filled with 
non-topical grammatical corrections and nitpicking of obvious oversights 
due merely to a sense of informality, and not the result of some evil 
attempt by Jeff to lead us all to our deaths or something.  
	Maybe Jeff does have a point  from the articles I have read it 
seems that JPB is considered by a large force of the media as bieng one 
of the leaders of the fight to conserve rights in kyberspace.  This could 
be merely because he is a prominent member of EFF, has been published 
numeral times on the topic, is well-known among people as a prominent 
personality, and his name is easier to spell.......
	But serisuly Perry, in this batch of mail I read today two of the 
three replies I saw from you were concerning mistakes in Jeff's posts 
that most likely because he and others maintain an informal tone in their 
postings.  I mean geesh are you gonna correct people from using Info 
Hiway, saying that this is obviouslyt a falshood and should be stamped 
out whenever possible...  
	It seems to me, tho I am a relative newbie, that you have a thing 
against Jeff, since most of those posts had little topic of value to the 
forum, except maybe to show your dislike of his stance perhaps you should 
take them to private mail.  

ANOTHER TOPIC:

	Is there room for informal discussion on here at times?  Or 
should we all be sure to maintain a modicum or formality.  I think the 
atmosphere is fine myself, it seems at this time to rather informal, but 
not babbly.


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