NODE 6912d055Another reason for anonymity
tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)Wed, 13 Apr 94 19:07:47 PDT
The first defamation suit involving the Usenet is described in a post
that apparently first appeared in misc.legal.moderated, and then
cross-posted into comp.org.eff.talk and alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk.
(I won't include it here, though I've ended up writing enough about it
that I should've just forwarded the whole thing to Cypherpunks!)
It involves a professor denied tenure (and dismissed) at the
University of Western Australia. Dept. of Archaeology, or similar.
The defendant made some comments last summer about the incompetence of
this professor (an ex-American, by the way), his habit of holding
"Puppy parties" with a local boy named "Puppy" as the chief
entertainment, his drinking exploits, and so on. I read the attacking
post and thought it somewhat more extreme than most Usenet comments.
But not by much. (And certainly comparable to the various posts
Detweiler made calling various people sodomites, spies, terrorists,
and so on.)
Anyway, the attacked professor (no longer at UWA, for the tenure
reasons cited above) filed a suit, the defendant chose not to show up
for the trial, and the judge recently issued his decision: AU$40,000
to the defendent, plus 8% annual interest to have begun September
1993.
Read the article to see what may be coming, in spades.
Of course, our legal minds here on Cypherpunks may be able to tell us
how likely such cases are to go this way in America. I can't say.
More reasons for anonymity, if one truly believes free speech should
be just that, unencumbered by charges of "defamation" and "damage." In
the Australian case, either the professor is "upstanding" (think of
Richard Feynman, for example), in which case the charges would just
bounce off (while I'm no Feynman, in any sense, those "sodomite"
charges of Detweiler I just shrugged off) or there's some substance to
the charges (i.e., he was a dissipated, pedophilic lech, who neglected
his research). Draw your own conclusions.
Anonymity has its problems, but it also allows discourse to be
somewhat isolated from the idiosyncrasies of the law.
And of course, in my view, it it completely kosher (I wanted to say
"exculpatory," as I fell into the rhythm of legal lingo, but I'd
probably be misusing the word terribly) for anonymous forums to
basically say: "This is a forum that allows anonymity and pseudonymous
speech. If this offends you, stay out. If you want to file a lawsuit
based on some insult you hear in this forum, good luck and fat chance
of winning!"
But then I'm a free speech radical.
(What about shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater? Let those who see
there's no fire beat the shit out of the twerp who shouted "Fire!"
Seems fair to me.)
--Tim May
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NODE 1a2a9639Re: Another reason for anonymity
tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)Wed, 13 Apr 94 19:12:29 PDT
> reasons cited above) filed a suit, the defendant chose not to show up
> for the trial, and the judge recently issued his decision: AU$40,000
> to the defendent, plus 8% annual interest to have begun September
^^^^^^^^^^
> 1993.
Whoops! I mean, "to the plaintiff" (the professor).
Sorry about that.
--Tim
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tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.
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"National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
NODE 64d3c16fRe: Another reason for anonymity
kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)Sat, 16 Apr 94 14:16:34 PDT
sandfort@crl.com (Sandy Sandfort) writes:
[...]
>Furthermore, American law is generally more "free speech" oriented
>with regard to what would otherwise be considered libel or slander.
[...]
Mike Godwin has a good article about American libel law and the Net.
ANNOTATED REFERENCES
(All these documents are available on-line. Access information follows.)
=================<a href="ftp://ftp.eff.org/pub/CAF/law/libel_2.IW">
law/libel_2.IW
=================</a>
* Expression -- Libel -- Public Figures and the Net
"Libel, Public Figures, and the Net" by Mike Godwin, an article for
Internet World. Argues that in most cases, replying to defamation on
the Net is more effective than and preferable to a lawsuit.
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If you have gopher, you can browse the CAF archive with the command
gopher gopher.eff.org
These document(s) are also available by anonymous ftp (the preferred
method) and by email. To get the file(s) via ftp, do an anonymous ftp
to ftp.eff.org (192.77.172.4), and then:
cd /pub/CAF/law
get libel_2.IW
To get the file(s) by email, send email to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com
Include the line(s):
connect ftp.eff.org
cd /pub/CAF/law
get libel_2.IW
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NODE 27db66ebRe: Another reason for anonymity
Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com>Wed, 13 Apr 94 20:38:41 PDT
C'punks,
American law differs from all other English-derived law in that in the US,
truth is a defense against charges of libel or slander. Furthermore,
American law is generally more "free speech" oriented with regard to what
would otherwise be considered libel or slander. I don't know how this
would have played in the States, but I'm not surprised that an Australian
court found for the plaintiff.
S a n d y