Re: BEST Inc.

If the info is on the card, follow the refrigerator magnet idea
if you don't want them to cash your cheque. Or do as the Sarge did.
Then, instead of having a record that you purchased Pentouse Letters
on April 14 at 10:33 pm in Mac's Milk on the corner of Broadway
and 110th, they have a record of your withdrawal of 50 bucks from
the atm and a picture in their video database as you did the
withdrawal. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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If the info is in the database, and it is (even though _this_
pos terminal may not have access to it) then - well, if you object
to this, keep up with cp and other fora, get yourself some fake
or anonymous id's (?), write code, use pgp, become judgement proof,
move and don't set up forwarding addresses, have your id killed, etc.
 
        Bill Garland,
                whose .sig just vanished

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What might be really useful is a list of the different measures
used on all the states ID's.

For example:

Maryland uses a magnetic strip, Digitized Photo and a bar code.
All that is printed on a credit card like card and not laminated.
Military ID's are green and white paper with a polaroid and a
signiture, normal lamination.
Illinois is a normal lamination with a complete photo within,
no bar code or strip, no digitized photo record.

Anyone want to further the list?  I wouldn't mind compiling the
information.

What seems key and most attractive to those who are willing to
go through the trouble, is identifying the states that use
limited measures, espeically avoiding the magnetic strip and
digitized photo states, and getting your license(s) in the
states that are "behind the times."

-uni- (Dark)

<My computer told me that Black Unicorn said:>
> 
> Then, instead of having a record that you purchased Pentouse Letters
> on April 14 at 10:33 pm in Mac's Milk on the corner of Broadway
> and 110th, they have a record of your withdrawal of 50 bucks from
> the atm and a picture in their video database as you did the
> withdrawal. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I had this thought earlier today:  What if the infamous "THEY" want
to track your actions.  They have reason to believe you live in Chicago 
and just bought a gun to take back home.  This being illegal they would
like to nail you.  You, however, have read this list and are a bit on
the "shady" side of the law and bought the gun with cash and a fake 
name/id.  Safe at last, or are you?  What if "they" analyzed all the
ATM machines in that general area and got a report of everyone who 
withdrew Gun_Price + 0-to-100 dollars. (Spending money).  They could
narrow it down and eventually, since they suspect you anyway, get your
pix from the ATM video camera.  Take this to the gun man and you're id'd.

My point?  Does everyone do what I do... carry little cash and when you
want to buy something with cash go to a machine and take it out within an
hour of your purchase?  It seems to me if this is typical then we need to
look at changing that habit since it can lead someone to you, albeit with
great difficulty.

   Jim



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> My point?  Does everyone do what I do... carry little cash and when you
> want to buy something with cash go to a machine and take it out within an
> hour of your purchase?  It seems to me if this is typical then we need to
> look at changing that habit since it can lead someone to you, albeit with
> great difficulty.

This is exactly the point behind time delayed remailers.
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On Tue, 19 Apr 1994, Jim Sewell - KD4CKQ wrote:

> name/id.  Safe at last, or are you?  What if "they" analyzed all the
> ATM machines in that general area and got a report of everyone who 
> withdrew Gun_Price + 0-to-100 dollars. (Spending money).  They could
> narrow it down and eventually, since they suspect you anyway, get your
> pix from the ATM video camera.  Take this to the gun man and you're id'd.
> 
> My point?  Does everyone do what I do... carry little cash and when you
> want to buy something with cash go to a machine and take it out within an
> hour of your purchase?  It seems to me if this is typical then we need to
> look at changing that habit since it can lead someone to you, albeit with
> great difficulty.

Jim, I am so glad I am not as paranoid as you. It would make my life a 
very distubing and scarry place to be. I am also glad that you *are* that 
paranoid, because I wouldn't have thought of that and it's the kind of 
thing that at least needs to be _mentioned_ in any serious discussion of 
security, privacy, anonymity, etc... even if it is hard to do anything to 
deter such a determined and powerfull (hopefully imaginary) opponent.  
Next time I make an illegal puchase, I'll be sure to have my picture 
taken at an ATM 10 miles away *at the same time* as the purchase is being 
made. If 'the infamous they' attempt such a corrolation, they will 
discover proof posotive that I did *not* make said purchase!  <g>

Happy Hunting, -Chris.

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