NODE b2ca4002Re: PHILIP ZIMMERMAN ARRESTED [NOT!]
Stewart Brand <sbb@well.sf.ca.us>Sun, 3 Apr 94 18:10:20 PDT
The Zimmerman prank---I'm sure not funny for him---hardens my line
further against anonymity online. At its best, as here, it is an
unholy nuisance.
Thanks for posting the correction, John. I'm moderating a panel with
Zimmerman later this week, and would have been confused.
NODE 2064ba74PHILIP ZIMMERMAN ARRESTED [NOT!]
hughes@ah.com (Eric Hughes)Mon, 4 Apr 94 11:44:05 PDT
>The Zimmerman prank---I'm sure not funny for him---hardens my line
>further against anonymity online.
You can't get rid of anonymity such as this without also getting rid
of pseudonymity. The first use of a pseudonym is as good as
anonymous, because it has no past history. If the user of this
pseudonym never again uses the name, then it has no future history.
A one-time pseudonym is an anonym.
An arbitrary string of letters only become a name if it is presented
as a name and if it has persistence. Identity is a persistence
through time of a source, be that a source of speech or a source of
action. Without persistence there is no identity, but rather only
unconnected assertions in a formal (and sterile) symbolic system.
Eric
NODE 9d264848Re: PHILIP ZIMMERMAN ARRESTED [NOT!]
ph@netcom.com (Peter Hendrickson)Sun, 3 Apr 94 20:12:15 PDT
Stewart Brand writes:
> The Zimmerman prank---I'm sure not funny for him---hardens my line
> further against anonymity online. At its best, as here, it is an
> unholy nuisance.
> Thanks for posting the correction, John. I'm moderating a panel
> with Zimmerman later this week, and would have been confused.
I once read a story in the newspaper about a popular mayor who, it was
reported, died in a massage parlor. I didn't realize that it was a
prank for some time. I felt sheepish. Should we monitor newspapers?
I don't think so.
Healthy skepticism of random messages on the net is a better way to
solve this problem. Is this really Stewart Brand?
Peter
NODE 879c310dRe: PHILIP ZIMMERMAN ARRESTED [NOT!]
greg%ideath@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Broiles)Sun, 3 Apr 94 20:49:32 PDT
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> The Zimmerman prank---I'm sure not funny for him---hardens my line
> further against anonymity online. At its best, as here, it is an
> unholy nuisance.
Interesting. The recent thread on alt.security re someone who mentioned
thoughts of suicide on Usenet and was held for 48 hours' psychiatric
evaluation hardens my line in favor of anonymity online.
In any event, "street tech" cares little for what you or I think. As I see
it, we've got two choices - anonymity or pseudonymity. (To be more accurate,
we can have both, or just pseudonymity.) Let's say we choose to ban
anonymity online. How shall we do this? What political body will we go to
and propose a regulation or legislation mandating Real Names for
messages? The United Nations? The net.cabal?
How will we stop folks from setting up accounts with names other than
their "real names" .. or from stealing others' accounts .. or from
forging mail? A $1000 PC can run Linux and SLIP an
look to the rest of
the net like any other IP-connected site; how will we enforce our rules
on those systems?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.3a
iQCVAgUBLZ95dX3YhjZY3fMNAQEjSgQArODShMLu5RyOufwc5RAFVh+T9QflHnu9
C/9tKaEYNm1QIMpBqX9Qq5RvBJUuw2T0dhR4JkZS5Ym/U/HM3h0Oow7n+gwSfkUv
SWTTiPXYraEem9mp/rFyIIm4KOx3T4ARvDgueiUc3+hGIZbio6+1ReLIGSiDSnJC
GsfCj7Sr7fk=
=SWQZ
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----