Cypherpunks' Electronic Book2

CYPHERPUNKS' ELECTRONIC BOOK (CEB) 2

Dear Cypherpunks,

   Well, my evil plan to volunteer Eric Hughes's time  for my
Cypherpunk's Electronic Book has not worked out as well as I had hoped
but somewhat as I had expected. Eric, it is crucial to the project that
you give out permissions for some people to change Majordomo, possibly
make a few changes in the Cypherpunks' mailing list, & possibly appoint
a few people as referees. I realize that you are quite busy & that your
time is valuable but it looks like there will be other people to handle
the technical details. I think CEB can progress with a very small amount
of your time. I think that you will agree that CEB is quite valuable &
I think that you will be proud of the results.
   Robert Hayden has volunteered to make the changes in Majordomo & do
the file handling work. This is the most crucial technical work to be
done. This will setup the actual mechanics of the CEB. Robert says that
this is all he has time for. Well, this is a lot! With Eric's per-
missions, Robert's technical work, a description of how to contribute
to CEB & possibly some writers' contributions to seed to CEB, I think
CEB will generate a life of its own.
   Once CEB gets going, most of the work will be done by the referees
& writers. The contributors will be doing just what they like to be
doing anyway. The most difficult part will be in just getting it
started. I think that, once it gets going, everybody will want to get
on the bandwagon.
   Robert Lau has volunteered to donate his Cypherpunks' archives. Due
to the nature of the CEB, we will not need them early on. However, they
may be very valuable to researchers working on projects. Later, people
looking for a project for CEB may want to comb them for projects.
  Thanks to the C'punks who have volunteered to help with the project.
Eric, would it be alright for Robert Hayden to make some changes to
Majordomo & perhaps the mailing list? I don't know what all he will need
to do. Robert Hayden will probably need to talk to you. Also, once Mr.
Hayden has started work, maybe others will volunteer to help him.
                                                   Yours Truly,
                                                   Gary Jeffers

On Tue, 31 May 1994, Gary Jeffers wrote:

>    Robert Hayden has volunteered to make the changes in Majordomo & do
> the file handling work. This is the most crucial technical work to be
> done. This will setup the actual mechanics of the CEB. Robert says that
> this is all he has time for. Well, this is a lot! With Eric's per-
> missions, Robert's technical work, a description of how to contribute
> to CEB & possibly some writers' contributions to seed to CEB, I think
> CEB will generate a life of its own.

Let me just make a couple of comments here, and you can decide if what I 
can offer is what you need.

I will be putting a low-end workstation online in a couple of weeks 
(mid-june).  By the end of june, I should have any bugs in the OS worked 
out, a good backup made, and the machine should be ready to do stuff 
with (I'm being overly generous on the time, just in case).  This will be 
an ethernetted workstation, not SLIPed, so connectivity is no problem.

Now, what I can do is install Majordomo and set up any mailing lists that 
are needed.  Eric suggested in private mail that perhaps a series of 
regional cypherpunks lists would be helpful for planning of physical 
meetings and the like.  I can, of course, also set up lists for the CEB 
project.  Each list will have its own administrator that IS NOT me :-)

Majordomo also appears (I havn't fully groked it yet) to support file 
archives using a 'get' parameter, so any files that are produced can be 
made available via the same software, or some other software if it 
becomes available.  I can help with the setup of the software as well. 

I _am not_ willing to administrate the CEB, though.  I know that in the 
near future I just wouldn't have time.  Besides, I've got a book that was 
due last week (got a month reprieve :-) and two more that I am working 
on, and that is enough playing editor for any man's sanity.  This, coupled 
with my new admin job working for the city, just kills my free time.

I may (maybe) be able to make an account available to the editor, but the 
machine itself is not very capable beyond the above, so you wouldn't be 
getting much out of it except a platform to hack from :-)

Assuming no problems, I shoudl have everything ready to go with the above 
in about a month, perhaps a little less.

Let me know if that would work.


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Gary writes:
> ... Eric, it is crucial to the project that
> you give out permissions for some people to change Majordomo, possibly
> make a few changes in the Cypherpunks' mailing list, & possibly appoint
> a few people as referees. I realize that you are quite busy & that your

Please! Don't keep thinking somebody else has got to do something for
you to make this work.  You don't need any changes made to
MajorDomo.  Just subscribe a new user that points at your mail
processing code.  For that matter, you could do most of it with
procmail or perl out of your ~/.forward

Cypherpunks write code.  There's nobody stopping you from doing it.

Eric Blossom

Well, my evil plan to volunteer Eric Hughes's time  for my
   Cypherpunk's Electronic Book has not worked out as well as I had hoped

If you really had me in particular in mind, you should use private
email.  Since you did not, I assume there are others you may be trying
to interest.

   Eric, it is crucial to the project that
   you give out permissions for some people to change Majordomo, 

I can't give you that permission; I don't have that permission myself.

More generally, just because the cypherpunks list runs on toad.com
does not mean that toad.com is a common resource for all list members.
Gary is not the first to assume this; I do hope he will be one of the
last.

   I think
   CEB will generate a life of its own.

Four incarnation of a cypherpunks FAQ did not generate a life of their
own.  I see this as having strong parallels.

Let me repeat my earlier suggestion.  You, Gary Jeffers, can run this
out of your own account with a mail filter.  If you can't write it
yourself, you can ask for someone to help you set it up.  Everyone
who's put up a remailer has put up something similar to what you want.

Eric