NODE d2c7b352The Illogic of Clipper
"Ed Carp [SysAdmin]" <khijol!erc>Sun, 5 Jun 94 15:13:13 PDT
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the government's position on
Clipper. After all, the best way for people to ensure that the
government's not going to listen in on their communications is to not use
Clipper. Now, unless it was a crime to use anything other than Clipper,
the government couldn't do a thing about it.
No criminal is going to use a system that would allow the feds to
eavesdrop - that's worse than sending messages "en clair". The only way
I see Clipper working is if it was mandatory to use it, with stiff
penalties against using anything else. That way, if the feds decided to
listen in on someone's conversation, and they couldn't decrypt it, all
they'd have to do would be to charge them with the crime of using a
non-approved method of encryption.
This raises another question - wouldn't the mandatory use of Clipper
violate the fifth amendment's protection against self-incrimination? The
courts have held that for the government to mandate someone filling out a
form (for example) that would incriminate them is not legal. It seems to
me that to require someone to use an "approved" method of encryption is,
in essence, violating one's fifth amendment rights.
Before someone points out that it's the case now with the government's
ability to read stuff "en clair" anyway, I would point out that the
courts may find that there is a higher expectation of privacy when
someone uses encryption that if they did not. There is a fundamental
expectation of privacy, even if one is engaged in criminal activity, that
the courts have tended to maintain.
Ed Carp, N7EKG/VE3 ecarp@netcom.com, Ed.Carp@linux.org
"What's the sense of trying hard to find your dreams without someone to share
it with, tell me, what does it mean?" -- Whitney Houston, "Run To You"
NODE 576eeac5The Illogic of Clipper
hughes@ah.com (Eric Hughes)Mon, 6 Jun 94 11:18:27 PDT
No criminal is going to use a system that would allow the feds to
eavesdrop - that's worse than sending messages "en clair".
Who is the opponent? For a criminal enterprise, I see two: law
enforcement and the other competing criminal enterpriss. Clipper
protects against the competition, but not against law enforcement.
Therefore use of Clipper as such is not irrational.
On the other hand, if a secure phone at the same cost is available
which doesn't use Clipper, it is not rational to use that instead of
Clipper.
What you are seeing is the overweening arrogance of the spies that the
only individuals who can make secure phones will be in league with the
government. The product announcements are not out yet, however.
Eric