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dfloyd@runner.utsa.edu (Douglas R. Floyd)Tue, 23 Aug 94 19:07:37 PDT
I most likely will get toasted for this, but here goes:
I notice tons of fear and loathing, and this feeling of 1984 is upon us, etc.
I seriously wonder who is trying to create a repressive government. Clinton
cannot pass a simple crime bill, much less become Big Brother. Congress
has to do tons of head butting to vote for a pay raise, much less turn
the US into a totaliarian society.
I DO agree on one thing. If there is something st00pid proposed, like
Clipper, etc., then people have all rights to toast the puppy, but
I don't think we have an Outer Circle/Inner Circle just yet.
(From a lowly prole,)
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dwomack@runner.utsa.edu (David L Womack)Tue, 23 Aug 94 20:30:22 PDT
>
>
> I most likely will get toasted for this, but here goes:
>
[Not at all!]
> I notice tons of fear and loathing, and this feeling of 1984 is upon us, etc.
>
[Indeed yes!]
> I seriously wonder who is trying to create a repressive government. Clinton
> cannot pass a simple crime bill, much less become Big Brother. Congress
> has to do tons of head butting to vote for a pay raise, much less turn
> the US into a totaliarian society.
>
[Does 'the death of a thousand cuts' come to mind?]
> I DO agree on one thing. If there is something st00pid proposed, like
> Clipper, etc., then people have all rights to toast the puppy, but
> I don't think we have an Outer Circle/Inner Circle just yet.
>
> (From a lowly prole,)
>
>
>
Certainly NOT a flame, but I guess I see it differently...
the 'simple' crime bill is not simple..quite the contrary,
it is a complex piece of legislation! Quite aside from the
AW provision, there are big reasons to question it. For
example, I just learned that the bill only pays for 25,000
police officers; the other 75,000 officers are *_mandated_*
expenditures for local governments. However, if the funding
is NOT used for police officers, then the funds don't impose
a mandate!
Going to guns; originally, they wanted to limit magazine
capacity to 5 rounds; they compromised to 10. It is a
slow grinding away of rights. May I quote Lenin?
"Probe as with a knife. Press forward when you feel
flesh, withdraw when you touch bone." Apologies to Lenin,
since I don't happen to have his books at hand! :-)
I suspect part of the problem is a steady increase in
regulations. Not so long ago, you could buy a firearm
through the mail..not any more. Waitresses weren't
targeted by the IRS for failure to report tip income...
they are now. Scanners weren't at risk of being banned;
clipper wasn't even imagined; warrants were required for
searches (they aren't in public housing, now)...I think
I perceive a trend!
As for inner & outer circles...well, I suspect that the
folks who donate $10,000 per year get a *_tad_* more
respect than I do!!
Regards,
Dave
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cactus@bb.com (L. Todd Masco)Tue, 23 Aug 94 22:04:47 PDT
In article <9408240204.AA21095@runner.utsa.edu>,
Douglas R. Floyd <dfloyd@runner.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:
>
>I most likely will get toasted for this, but here goes:
Naw...
>I seriously wonder who is trying to create a repressive government. Clinton
>cannot pass a simple crime bill, much less become Big Brother.
Oh? Just wait and see... Now it just has to get past a Republican
point of order (it breaks the Budget Act) that requires 60%. Once
past that, it's home-free.
Even if he can't pass the Crime Bill (which I think is one of the most
frightening pieces of legislation in a long time: 2nd Amendment right
to violent revolution aside, it includes a measure which requires
anybody *accused* of a "sex crime" to be tested for HIV, at the
alleged victim's demand), think of it as a sort of "Pascal's Wager."
I'd far rather be wrong about this country getting dangerously
oppresive than be wrong about it being just fine, business as usual.
YM, of course, MV.
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