Arizona State Email Non-Privacy Policy

Dear Cypherpunks-

A friend mailed the following questions, which I have edited.
Please Cc: any replies to me for now as I'm getting back on cypherpunks after
the digest was shut down.

Note: A.S.U. is Arizona State University, in Tempe (next to Phoenix).

>I want to ask you something.  What sorts of illegal things could a person do
>with an email account?  What's happening is that A.S.U. has just adopted a
>policy which allows them to...well, this is way it says: "The routine
>management and administration communication systems or computers may include
>the monitoring of any or all activity on these systems on a regular basis"
>blah blah blah "Any message is permanent and may be read by persons other than
>the intended reader."  I'm sure this has always been the case, and that they
>are just coming out with it.  They also say that "We no longer take requests
>for the Public Records Act." Do you know what that means?

> ...

>You know, some landlord out here just got arrested for installing video
>cameras in his tennant's apartments...  it seems like a similar situation to
>this - what the University does.  The reasons they give are, you know, they
>just want to make sure no one is running a business, doing anything illegal
>(A.S.U.P.D....heh!), or "inapproporate" like sending nasty messages to people,
>or mail bombs or something.  But it doesn't seem like they would need to sneak
>into your mail to find out if your bugging people.  The other thing, is that
>they say that they can go into your mail without telling you first, and that
>we should trust that they wont abuse this...

> ...

>Something else, I just found out that it's "inappropriate" to use the A.S.U.
>system for social correspondence!  It's listed uner abuses along with
>computer fraud and pirating. (!)

Quite a few people answered (thank you all) my earlier question by saying that
doing your own encryption is the best solution.  True in a way, but I know
there are "student rights" groups that specifically work to intimidate
college computer administrations into modifying these sorts of policies,
also setting up standard privacy policies, etc.  Is there some other mailing
list or newsgroup where I would find them?

 -- forwarded by Steve <sw@tiac.net>

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On Thu, 25 Aug 1994, Steve Witham wrote:

> >I want to ask you something.  What sorts of illegal things could a person do
> >with an email account?  What's happening is that A.S.U. has just adopted a
> >policy which allows them to...well, this is way it says: "The routine
> >management and administration communication systems or computers may include
> >the monitoring of any or all activity on these systems on a regular basis"
> >blah blah blah "Any message is permanent and may be read by persons other than
> >the intended reader."  I'm sure this has always been the case, and that they
> >are just coming out with it.  They also say that "We no longer take requests
> >for the Public Records Act." Do you know what that means?

This is like those recordings while you are on hold that say "your call
may be monitored for quality assurance" etc. - they have to warn you up
front to do so legally.  You then have a choice to use or not use their
system for any communications you want kept private from their perusing
probiscus.

> >You know, some landlord out here just got arrested for installing video
> >cameras in his tennant's apartments...  it seems like a similar situation to

Big difference here - in Hawaii you must put up signs if you have any
video monitoring equipment in or around the common areas, perimeter of the
building etc. informing people that the areas are monitored using video
surveillance etc.  Inside your apartment is another story - over here you
are protected by the Landlord-Tenant code not to mention a variety of
other ordinance.

> >Something else, I just found out that it's "inappropriate" to use the A.S.U.
> >system for social correspondence!  It's listed uner abuses along with
> >computer fraud and pirating. (!)

Surprise.  It is their equipment to do with as they please and if you
don't want to follow along with their conditions of access...  In the
gov't it is literally against the law and considered theft of government
resources (cpu time, equipment (pc, terminal etc.), electricity...) to use
government equipment for private purposes.

> Quite a few people answered (thank you all) my earlier question by saying that
> doing your own encryption is the best solution.  True in a way, but I know
> there are "student rights" groups that specifically work to intimidate
> college computer administrations into modifying these sorts of policies,
> also setting up standard privacy policies, etc.  Is there some other mailing
> list or newsgroup where I would find them?

This is where PGP on your local machine fits in.  As long as they don't
have your private key and can't capture keystrokes or access your local
machine you can keep your communications private.

Try EPIC, CPSR, EFF for info.

-NetSurfer

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