NODE d48a9d3fRE: Golbal Econ.
p.v.mcmahon.rea0803@oasis.icl.co.ukSun, 28 Aug 94 11:34:18 PDT
> I would like to help get an internet economny going! For the internet
> to become a source of greater revenue I'd like to see a system that
> can securely make business transactions that we are all happy with.
> The amounts should be small transactions compaired with selling a car,
All payment mechanisms require a basis of trust - so that the seller knows
s/he will get paid - and hence rely on trusted third parties (governments,
banks, charge card company etc), and/or need to be supported by specific
explicit seller-buyer contracts. Current (commercial) electronic business
transactions are underpinned by contracts, and security mechanisms
appropriate to the risks associated with the carrier of the transaction.
An "internet economy" needs a basis of trust, as well as security
mechanisms appropriate for the current level of IP security. What basis
of trust do you envisage?
- pvm
NODE 142b1059Re: Golbal Econ.
Jim Hart <hart@chaos.bsu.edu>Sun, 28 Aug 94 12:55:16 PDT
All payment mechanisms require a basis of trust - so
that the seller knows s/he will get paid .
With an online clearing system, four elements of trust are
needed:
+ both the vendor and the customer need to trust the bank
+ the customer needs to trust the vendor to deliver the
goods and change once the vendor has been paid
+ any one out of n of the digital mixes (proxy servers) used
to communicate between the parties needs to be trustworthy
+ independent auditors for the bank
This kind of trust comes through repeated relations: if the
vendor has delivered in the past, and benefits from staying
in business in the future, they will deliver the goods today.
Same for the bank issuing and honoring currency. Regular
money supply figure updates and independent auditing of a
free bank are important, so that they cannot take hidden
actions to inflate the money supply. (Alternatively,
an online bank can peg the value of its tokens to, and
facilitate conversion to and from, a widely issued currency
such as the dollar).
Also, note that trust is unbundled. Each agent is only
trusted with certain aspects of the transaction; no agent
is trusted to carry out the entire transaction, or with
the knowledge of all aspects of the transaction.
There are entry and exit problems: it costs to gain a
reputation, and if one's need for a future reputation is
small it pays to abscond. These can be overcome
by the agent trying to gain the reputation, via offering
up-front subsidies to use their services (like sign up
bonuses), by sponsorship and introduction of new services
by known reputable agents, by keeping maximum transaction sizes
low, and by other means. Many of these techniques are
well known and commonly used by businessmen.
Trust can also be gained by knowing someone personally. Many
cypherpunks do, and this will remain important. But it's also
a risk for controversial services, as being personally known puts
them at greater risk of being shut down by intolerant force.
So trust based on reputation of agents on the net, and on the
contstraints imposed by cryptographic protocols -- that is our
important task; if I might be so bold I'd say that's the essence
of the cypherpunks vision.
There are also a wide variety of other means of gaining
trust through repeated relation, unbundling/distribution of
trust, and the like. For example, an escrow is a third
party trusted to hold transactions, eliminating the need for the
customer to trust the vendor to deliver. Escrows are useful when
the vendor is anonymous, not having established a reputation for its
nym, and for large transaction sizes.
The above bank/vendor/customer/mix scenario seems the
simplest to start out with on the Internet at this time.
Jim Hart
hart@chaos.bsu.edu
NODE 0f9b1514"Must read" posts
tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)Sun, 28 Aug 94 14:16:18 PDT
Many people seem to think I dislike the views of other Cypherpunks.
Not so.
In fact, I find many posters to be refreshingly direct and clear. For example,
I find the view of Jim Hart to be clear, concise, and almost always
on-target.
I've moved him into the category of "must read," along with the other
dozen or so authors here whose work seems consistently of high
quality.
--Tim May
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