Re: Children and the Net

First of all, what does this have to do with crypto..

At 06:29 8/2/94 -0700, Mike Duvos wrote:
>The behavior of the Branch Davidians towards their children is well
>documented, both by child welfare workers in Texas and by sworn
>testimony of former members.

Apparently this is your (presently unsubstantiated) opinion.  How about
some references that don't involve ATF employee testimonys?

>The Branch Davidians were proclaimed "cleared" of charges of child
>abuse by Texas authorities in the presense of physical evidence which
>would have been considered abuse in most other states.

In many places, spanking a child (with restraint and compassion, as a
parent) is considered child abuse, so I suppose this statement could be
considered true.

I am not alone, however, in my belief that corporal punishment is sometimes
a necessary part of parenting.

While I don't share the Davidians religious beliefs, I'd like to see more
evidence that the ATF was justified in their assault.

I'm not yet convinced.

-Tom


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> First of all, what does this have to do with crypto..

Absolutely nothing.

> At 06:29 8/2/94 -0700, Mike Duvos wrote:
> >The behavior of the Branch Davidians towards their children is well
> >documented, both by child welfare workers in Texas and by sworn
> >testimony of former members.

> Apparently this is your (presently unsubstantiated) opinion.  How about
> some references that don't involve ATF employee testimonys?

I wasn't aware that child welfare workers and former Branch Davidians
were members of the ATF.

> >The Branch Davidians were proclaimed "cleared" of charges of child
> >abuse by Texas authorities in the presense of physical evidence which
> >would have been considered abuse in most other states.

> In many places, spanking a child (with restraint and compassion, as a
> parent) is considered child abuse, so I suppose this statement could be
> considered true.

One mother reported that Koresh ordered her to spank her one year
old baby with a wooden paddle and wouldn't let her stop until the
child was bleeding.  This was because the child had cried while 
Koresh was giving a sermon.  I see no "restraint" or "compassion" here.

> While I don't share the Davidians religious beliefs, I'd like to see more
> evidence that the ATF was justified in their assault.

The ATF was completely unjustified in their assault.  That, of course,
does not refute any of the charges that the Branch Davidians were not
particularly nice to the younger members of their congregation.

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On Tue, 2 Aug 1994, Mike Duvos wrote:
> One mother reported that Koresh ordered her to spank her one year
> old baby with a wooden paddle and wouldn't let her stop until the
> child was bleeding.  This was because the child had cried while 
> Koresh was giving a sermon.  I see no "restraint" or "compassion" here.
I am very interested in this case.  I have seen no such alligation.  If 
you could be so kind as to post or send through private e-mail your 
source for this comment, I would be greatfull.

Berzerk.