Re: Title VII v. Liberty

At 6:13 AM 9/9/94, Perry E. Metzger wrote:

>It is certainly the case that massive bigotry exists against
>homosexuals and that some companies make hiring decisions that way.
>However, all credible studies show that homosexuals have substantially
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>above average income.

Refs on this one? Even on ref. would do me. The only 'studies' I've
seen like this are bullshit paid for by fundies. Seeing how one of
their major weapons is convincing folk that queers are taking over
big business, I wouldn't exactly call them credible.

>Perry


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Jamie Lawrence                                  <jamiel@sybase.com>

jamiel@sybase.com (Jamie Lawrence) writes:
> At 6:13 AM 9/9/94, Perry E. Metzger wrote:
[...]
> >However, all credible studies show that homosexuals have substantially
> >above average income.
> 
> Refs on this one? Even on ref. would do me. The only 'studies' I've
> seen like this are bullshit paid for by fundies. Seeing how one of
> their major weapons is convincing folk that queers are taking over
> big business, I wouldn't exactly call them credible.

Actually a recent study was reported a month or so ago (done by UMich or
some other big surveying group with no visible axes to grind) that showed
that homosexuals as a group have a _lower_ average income than the general
population.  I will poke around and see if I can find a ref to this study. 

jim

Jamie Lawrence says:
> Refs on this one? Even on ref. would do me. The only 'studies' I've
> seen like this are bullshit paid for by fundies. Seeing how one of
> their major weapons is convincing folk that queers are taking over
> big business, I wouldn't exactly call them credible.

Actually, as I recall these have mostly been marketing studies. For
whatever reason (perhaps the same "oppressed group syndrome" that
tends to make several other minorities work harder) gay men tend to be
higher up on the income scale. No, I can't find a reference in a
second -- but if you insist I'll dig one up. Those knowing my opinions
closely enough will know that I loathe fundamentalist christians and
that I'm quite rabbid in attacking discrimination against homosexuals.

Let me note that Jews and Asians are not protected groups under Title
10 -- there are no affirmative action laws for us, and there *is*
discrimination against them -- sometimes even very violent
discrimination. Somehow, however, they have managed to do just fine in
society.

Perry

In article <9409092040.AA00273@snark.imsi.com>,
Perry E. Metzger <perry@imsi.com> wrote:
>Actually, as I recall these have mostly been marketing studies. For
>whatever reason (perhaps the same "oppressed group syndrome" that
>tends to make several other minorities work harder) gay men tend to be
>higher up on the income scale. No, I can't find a reference in a
>second -- but if you insist I'll dig one up. Those knowing my opinions
>closely enough will know that I loathe fundamentalist christians and
>that I'm quite rabbid in attacking discrimination against homosexuals.

My understanding is that it's a bimodal distribution: the marketing
studies have shown the higher modality because that's the segment that
they're interested in.
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