Re: "You aren't following the _rules_!"

At 3:58 AM 11/29/94, Lucky Green wrote:
>I do not mean to belittle the work that has been done, but unless the
>encryption is built into the mailer and using a remailer means clicking the
>"use  X remailer(s)" button, and the mailer better know which ones are
>working and do the PGP envelopes, it won't happen.

Have you used premail?  It pretty much does all of that.
People still aren't using premail, either because they can't figure out how
to install it (doubtful, it's not hard to install), or because they don't
have a need for it that's great enough to justify the (minimal) time
neccesary to ftp it and install it, or wait the (sometimes more painful)
time neccesary for the computer to encrypt and/or sign your outgoing
messages.

Which was admitteedlyu your main point; until there is a _need_ for crypto,
it's not going to be used.
Because premail makes it incredibly easy to use PGP on a unix box. And, for
that matter, the Eudora/PGP applescritps make it incredibly easy to use PGP
on a mac.  And there are some people working on an applescript that will
automate using remailers on a mac too.    But ease of use appearantly isn't
enough; no matter how easy it gets to use, it's still going to have some
cost to the user over not using it. Even if the cost is only having to wait
the 1.5 seconds it takes your machine to decrypt/encrypt a message.  Unless
there's a use for it, people won't be willing to spend that 1.5 seconds per
message.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

There have been some good points made here about leading by example.
And about a little more protection from fraudulent posts.  Though I 
would not want to see sigs made mandatory for list postings, we 
should be making more use of digisigs, if for no other reason than 
to get them in front of more people.

That's the reason I put in the line about fingering for my PGP key.  Not
that I expect people to start sending me cryptomail, but to spread
the word a bit to those who aren't on this list.  And it's worked...
I'm gotten several questions about what it means and why I use it.

So, in that light, I'll also start signing my email and posts.  I'll
admit, though, I also use and off-line reader, so it's simple for me.
But the reason I'm off-line is the responses I got from this list
when I asked about key management.

And I'm NOT saying everyone should.  That's a personal decision and
depends on many things, work environment, system speed, personal preferance.
I'm just saying I will.

That's my $200.00 worth.  
(Why yes, I do government contracting.  How could you tell?)
- - --
America - a country so rich and so strong we can reward the lazy 
          and punish the productive and still survive (so far)

Don Melvin                  storm@ssnet.com                finger for PGP key.

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> 
> Have you used premail?  It pretty much does all of that.
> People still aren't using premail, either because they can't figure out how
> to install it (doubtful, it's not hard to install), or because they don't
> have a need for it that's great enough to justify the (minimal) time
> neccesary to ftp it and install it, or wait the (sometimes more painful)
> time neccesary for the computer to encrypt and/or sign your outgoing
> messages.
> 
Well, personally this is the first time I've even _heard_ of premail..
(thank you for mentioning it) ;)

so, that's why _I'm_ not using it.. but more info would be appreciated..

a pointer to an ftp site, perhaps?

Thanks,
  from another one just lurking in the background...
			   Evan