I-D ACTION:draft-atkinson-ipng-auth-00.txt

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
directories.                                                               

       Title     : IPv6 Authentication Header                              
       Author(s) : R. Atkinson
       Filename  : draft-atkinson-ipng-auth-00.txt
       Pages     : 10
       Date      : 11/16/1994

The Internet community is working on a transition from version 4 of the 
Internet Protocol (IPv4) to version 6 of the Internet Protocol (IPv6).  
This memo describes the IPv6 Authentication Header.  This optional header 
provides strong integrity and authentication for IPv6 datagrams.  
Non-repudiation might be provided by an authentication algorithm used with 
the Authentication Header, but it is not provided with all authentication 
algorithms that might be used.      
                                       
Confidentiality, and protection from traffic analysis are not provided by 
the Authentication Header.  Users desiring confidentiality should consider 
using the IPv6 Encapsulating Security Protocol (ESP) either in lieu of or 
in conjunction with the Authentication Header.  [NB: All references to 
"IPv6 Encapsulating Security Protocol" will be replaced with references to 
the "IPv6 Security Protocol (IPSP)" if/when such a document appears as an 
online Internet Draft]. This document assumes the reader has previously 
read and understood the related "IPv6 Security Overview" document which 
defines the overall security architecture for IPv6 and provides important 
background information for this specification.                             

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Some of us are participants in the IETF, are even on the IPSEC working
group, and are well aware of the pending work on IPng and IPv4
security, and don't want Yet Another Copy of these things. If you
insist, why not just note that there are drafts pending and not
forward each of the announcement messages?

Perry

Eric Blossom says:
> --NextPart
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
> directories.                                                               
> 
>        Title     : IPv6 Authentication Header

THUS SPAKE "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@imsi.com>:
# 
# Some of us are participants in the IETF, are even on the IPSEC working
# group, and are well aware of the pending work on IPng and IPv4
# security, and don't want Yet Another Copy of these things. If you
# insist, why not just note that there are drafts pending and not
# forward each of the announcement messages?

If he were to do that,  people would ask (or at least wonder)
	1.  just what is this?
and 
	2.  where can I get it?

It turns out the announcment is only two or three pages long,
and about 1/3 of it answers question 1, 
and the other 2/3 answers (for various clients) question 2.

I thought it was a very appropriate way of using the list --
a good comprimise between spamming and being silent.
I was able to quickly determine if I was interested (I was),
and use my favorite way to fetch it (since I'm not in metamail,
I grabbed the URLs and LYNXed them.)

		strick

The standard thing in these cases is to say "There are some neat RFC
drafts on security in ftp://hostname/names; you might be interested."

I have already gotten three other copies of each of the three messages
associated with Ran's new IPng drafts because every security mailing
list on earth seems to operate on the "just forward everything"
premise. More aren't needed.

strick -- henry strickland says:
> THUS SPAKE "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@imsi.com>:
> # 
> # Some of us are participants in the IETF, are even on the IPSEC working
> # group, and are well aware of the pending work on IPng and IPv4
> # security, and don't want Yet Another Copy of these things. If you
> # insist, why not just note that there are drafts pending and not
> # forward each of the announcement messages?
> 
> If he were to do that,  people would ask (or at least wonder)
> 	1.  just what is this?
> and 
> 	2.  where can I get it?
> 
> It turns out the announcment is only two or three pages long,
> and about 1/3 of it answers question 1, 
> and the other 2/3 answers (for various clients) question 2.
> 
> I thought it was a very appropriate way of using the list --
> a good comprimise between spamming and being silent.
> I was able to quickly determine if I was interested (I was),
> and use my favorite way to fetch it (since I'm not in metamail,
> I grabbed the URLs and LYNXed them.)
> 
> 		strick
>

THUS SPAKE "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@imsi.com>:
# 
# The standard thing in these cases is to say "There are some neat RFC
# drafts on security in ftp://hostname/names; you might be interested."

Yeah, there's always neat RFC drafts on security out there;
that hardly needs announceing.  Which ones are new & interesting & why?
 
# I have already gotten three other copies of each of the three messages
# associated with Ran's new IPng drafts because every security mailing
# list on earth seems to operate on the "just forward everything"
# premise. More aren't needed.

So the perfect solution, from your point of view,
is that there be no announcement on cyperpunks.

And the perfect solution, from my point of view,
is that you unsubscribe from all those other lists,
so that you only see one announcement.  :)

And the perfect solution, from everyone's point of view,
is to have a real solution to the document-repost problem.
Like a cypherpunk registry web page where you post small
announcements and pointers to things, with the ability
to scan first and see if anyone else has done that.
Then a periodic summary of new stuff gets mailed out
on a regular basis, if there is new stuff to announce.

Sounds like a good web project for someone ...

			strick

In article <199411182159.NAA10356@gwarn.versant.com>,
strick -- henry strickland <strick@versant.com> wrote:
>So the perfect solution, from your point of view,
>is that there be no announcement on cyperpunks.

Oh, please.

You can announce them without sending them out verbatim to the entire
world: established net procedure is to just post a pointer to anything
really huge instead of spamming every mailing list where people might
be interested.

If you want to note why they're interesting, you can explain that with
the pointer and provide a real service: people are unlikely to read
huge volumes unless you have a reputation for sending Really Interesting
Stuff (IE, if Bruce Schneir posted something huge, it'd get read more
than if I posted something huge).
-- 
Todd Masco     | "I'd rather have my country die for me." - P Kantner
cactus@hks.net | "But for now, only our T-shirts cry 'freedom!'." - Fish

Perry E. Metzger scribbles:

> Some of us are participants in the IETF, are even on the IPSEC working
> group, and are well aware of the pending work on IPng and IPv4
> security, and don't want Yet Another Copy of these things. If you
> insist, why not just note that there are drafts pending and not
> forward each of the announcement messages?

Because many, probably most of us aren't participants, and these items
are of greater cryptological relavence than much, if not most, of the
material on the list.

How would a note about the drafts being pending and the posting of the
announcement be significantly different?  I appreciate the MIME
encoding of the mail, since my MIME mail reader can go out and pull
them for me.

Bob

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Bob Snyder writes:
> How would a note about the drafts being pending and the posting of the
> announcement be significantly different?  I appreciate the MIME
> encoding of the mail, since my MIME mail reader can go out and pull
> them for me.

Speaking of which, can anyone explain why my usually-MIME-compliant mail
reader (ELM 2.4 PL22) pukes on the fancy parts of all these draft
announcements ?  Personally, I find MIMEd messages very annoying because I'm
forced to hit RETURN (not just "any key") several extra times for each
message.  {Luckily, it's clear that I'd never have time to read any of these,
so they get tossed in the bit bucket almost immediately.}

- -L. McCarthy


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L. McCarthy wrote:

> Speaking of which, can anyone explain why my usually-MIME-compliant mail
> reader (ELM 2.4 PL22) pukes on the fancy parts of all these draft
> announcements ?  Personally, I find MIMEd messages very annoying because I'm
> forced to hit RETURN (not just "any key") several extra times for each
> message.  {Luckily, it's clear that I'd never have time to read any of these,
> so they get tossed in the bit bucket almost immediately.}

Hear, hear! An increasing fraction of my e-mail is non-ASCII, and has
this MIME (or whatever) stuff in it. (The Smalltalk list I'm on is
about 50% like this.)

I suppose some messages make use of it, as Eric Blossom's just did (in
allowing retrieval of more stuff, somehow), but a lot of the
"offending" messages just seem to be non-ASCII for the hell of it.

Like Lewis, I find myself to easily delete the message and move on.
(I'm debating just deleting the messsages, which are marked "M" for
Mime, before even starting to read them.)

Personally, I like simple ASCII. No fancy fonts, no embedded graphics,
no Quicktime movies I have to watch, etc.

Just my views.

--Tim May


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Bob Snyder says:
> How would a note about the drafts being pending and the posting of the
> announcement be significantly different?

Getting one message instead of three (one for each of the pending
drafts) would be an excellent start.

Perry