Re: I Like ASCII, not MIME and Other Fancy Crap

>> As for solutions, the only solutions there are and ever will be involve you
>> getting of that terminal server. The evolution of the Internet will make
>> ASCII terminals obsolete. If it hasn't already done so.
>>
>> Let's take that poll of what people use. I am curious.
>
>All right, you asked for it. :-)

[Long list delete. Wow! But notice, he _is_ getting the stuff of the
termial server.]

>My best experience with PGP is using perl scripts integrated with elm
>(thus a preference for using linux for mail).  However it doesn't handle
>MIME right.  Pine seems to handle MIME, but I haven't figured out how to
>add PGP support.

There is a Pine with PGP support out there. I don't use mail on UNIX, so I
don't have it handy, but I am sure someone else on the list will tell you
all about it.

>I have yet to play with the PGP Applescripts for Eudora.  They're
>sitting on my Mac's disk waiting for me to try them.

Same here. I have just been to busy helping people get a better net connection.

>I'd be curious to hear your commentions/suggestions.

How about someone makes up a fill out form that we then send in for
analysis? That's how we did it two years ago.

>> P.S. If anybody here on the list wants to know how to turn their regular
>> shell account into a SLIP account, email me for info or read
>> alt.dcom.slip-emulators. Please don't ask about it on the list.
>
>Is this TIA on the Mac?  I haven't tried that yet.  I've tried term in
>linux, which sounds similar, and it didn't work.  And for the moment, I
>do have means to get a SLIP connection.

If you have a SLIP connection, then use that.

Yes, it is TIA, but not on the Mac. TIA runs on the UNIX host only. Your
Mac/PC/Whatever just uses standard SLIP software and doesn't have the
slightest clue that the other end isn't _really_ a SLIP sever. Unlike term,
where you have to recompile the software on the client to work with it. But
please, lets keep the SLIP discussion off the list. Anyone who is
interested please email me for more info.

Happy netting,


-- Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>
   PGP encrypted mail preferred.

On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, Lucky Green wrote:

> There is a Pine with PGP support out there. I don't use mail on UNIX, so I
> don't have it handy, but I am sure someone else on the list will tell you
> all about it.

I'd appreciate being told about it too, no matter where I look I don't 
seem to be able to find this info.

Regards,

- Andy

Another thing to keep in mind is that, probably, two years from now
a considerable majority of people on the net will be people who aren't
using it yet.  They won't have twenty years of experience with ASCII
and Unix and /bin/mail, etc.  As Lucky Green says, they will get going
with Mosaic or derivatives and never leave it.  They will use Internet
in a Box (or an equivalent from AOL or Microsoft) and get set up and
running easily.  They won't have to use Archie to find a JPEG or GIF
viewer, it will be built in.  Most of them will use a PC running
Windows 95, a few will use Macs.  That will be the net in two years,
IMO.

We should be ready for that world and working to keep it safe for
privacy.  As Phil Z. said in the PGP docs, "skate to where the puck will
be."  We need to look forward, not look back to the good old days.

Hal

Hal wrote:
> 
> Another thing to keep in mind is that, probably, two years from now
> a considerable majority of people on the net will be people who aren't
> using it yet.  They won't have twenty years of experience with ASCII
> and Unix and /bin/mail, etc.  As Lucky Green says, they will get going
> with Mosaic or derivatives and never leave it.  They will use Internet
> in a Box (or an equivalent from AOL or Microsoft) and get set up and
> running easily.  They won't have to use Archie to find a JPEG or GIF
> viewer, it will be built in.  Most of them will use a PC running
> Windows 95, a few will use Macs.  That will be the net in two years,
> IMO.
> 
> We should be ready for that world and working to keep it safe for
> privacy.  As Phil Z. said in the PGP docs, "skate to where the puck will
> be."  We need to look forward, not look back to the good old days.

I agree, and made exactly this point at today's Cypherpunks meeting,
during Raph Levien's talk on his "premail" work. (Note: Colin Plumb
was also there, amongst others.)

I expect to be switching to Netscape, or something similar, and a
SLIP/PPP connection. So I'm all in favor of integrating things. 

And I agree that "Network" (Microsoft is preparing copyright
infringement suits against all those also using the term they invented
last week) will account for the majority of Net connections soon.
Being built into Windows 95 will ensure this.

--Tim May


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