whats all this nonsense

I just signed onto this list. What the hell is all this nonsense that I hear
about mandating PGP signed messages?

I thought the whole grassroots crypto thing was about protecting privacy
rights and individual liberty and all that. So what if someone wants to
post a message to cypherpunks AND DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO 
PROVE THEY WROTE THE MESSAGE. Whether because they fear legal prosecution, 
or some other social consequence down the line, or whatever. It's everyone's
personal choice whether they want their name nailed down unmistakably to 
given messages of personal/political/WHATEVER nature. It seems heinously
against the spirit of this list to mandate that pople append an unforgeable
digital signature to everything they feel like saying to the list so that
anyone, anywhere can prove that they said a particular thing at a partic
time. If you have a problem with what someone said and want to verify its
authenticity, why not just send them an email and ask them to sign 
the message personally?

Tom

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I think the point is that people should take some time to think
about what they say.  By forcing them to sign their message,
it will take an extra few seconds so they will consider what they
are saying.

As for privacy, who's to say that I can't generate a random PGP key
with a random UserID and use that to sign the message.  I don't thin
the idea was to keep a "who can send to this list" keyring on
toad.com (Eric: correct me if my interpretation is incorrect).

- -derek

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In article <199411292103.AA07490@amhux3.amherst.edu>, you wrote:
>
> I just signed onto this list. What the hell is all this nonsense that I hear
> about mandating PGP signed messages?
>
> I thought the whole grassroots crypto thing was about protecting privacy
> rights and individual liberty and all that. So what if someone wants to
> post a message to cypherpunks AND DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO
> PROVE THEY WROTE THE MESSAGE. Whether because they fear legal prosecution,
> or some other social consequence down the line, or whatever. It's everyone's
> personal choice whether they want their name nailed down unmistakably to
> given messages of personal/political/WHATEVER nature. It seems heinously
> against the spirit of this list to mandate that pople append an unforgeable
> digital signature to everything they feel like saying to the list so that
> anyone, anywhere can prove that they said a particular thing at a partic
> time. If you have a problem with what someone said and want to verify its
> authenticity, why not just send them an email and ask them to sign
> the message personally?
>
> Tom

If I had something to post that I did not want to be held accountable for,
I would post it via a remailer. If I post something in my own name I want
people to know that it came from me. A digital signature facilitates this.

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