NODE 05505972Automated Witchhunt: I've been slandered by a script.
Black Unicorn <unicorn@access.digex.net>Sun, 18 Dec 94 02:01:23 PST
On checking my mail early this morning I found this:
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> To: unicorn@access.digex.net, cert@cert.org, emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us,
> postmaster@access.digex.net, postmaster@access.digex.net
> Subject: Re: Police & BBS...Sundevil revisited in Florida
> From: unicorn (Black Unicorn)
>
> If you are not aware of the nature of the group alt.2600, I will explain it.
> It is a hacker/cracker newsgroup, containing many illegal messages. A great
> deal of its posters ask questions about or give advice on compromising
> system security, even that of the system they are on. Phone "phreaking" is
> freely discussed, and they explain to each other how to cheat the long
> distance telephone carriers. Pirate ftp and fsp sites are often traded by
> these people, and you should verify that one has not been set up on your
> system, and that the user does not have pirated software in his directory.
> Such could get your entire site shut down. Other verified topics that people
> explain how to do and admit to doing are disrupting irc, spamming,
> mailbombing, shoplifting, disrupting public transportation, and similar
> dangerous and illegal mischief.
>
> This automated message is sent for two reasons:
>
> 1) To alert you of a potential threat to your system's security, in the
> cases of users asking about or being told how to attempt to exploit security
> vulnerabilities. Also, the poster may be using a stolen account.
>
> 2) To alert you that there are crackers on your machine. The account used to
> post from may not be legitimate, or may be stolen (it is _extremely_ common
> with alt.2600 posters to use fraudulently obtained accounts). Or, a post of
> its nature may likely be a violation of terms of a membership agreement.
> And, the user making this post may be preparing to break into yours or
> another system, if they have not done so already. It is suggested that you
> keep a close eye on users who have posted to alt.2600, and to inspect their
> files and email if the posting warrants such and you can legally do so.
>
> All headers and complete text of original message follow:
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> From: unicorn@access4.digex.net (Black Unicorn)
> Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberspace,alt.wired,alt.2600,can.infohighway,alt.pagan,alt.bbs
> Subject: Re: Police & BBS...Sundevil revisited in Florida
> Followup-To: comp.org.eff.talk,alt.cyberpunk,alt.cyberspace,alt.wired,alt.2600,can.infohighway,alt.pagan,alt.bbs
> Date: 12 Dec 1994 20:56:36 GMT
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> Tommy Watt - G.W. Technologies (gwtek@rmii.com) wrote:
> : Damn.. . all this reminds me of the bust the local police department did
> : on my BBS system..
>
> : Under alligations of hacking, they took ALL my computer equipment,
> : anything that looked like a computer, anything that couldda been turned
> : into a computer, and misc. stuff..
>
> : The warrant is pretty much invalid, on the blank where it says "things
> : that if found may be seized" is "-- SEE ATTACHMENT 'B'" . . I didnt even
> : SEE attachment B, and when I asked for it, they said they dont even have
> : to show me this.
>
>
> It's typical to seal this document.
>
> Unfortunately it's also a tool used for harassment, as you have to go to
> a hearing to get the document opened, or looked at by a judge who will
> make a determination as to the legitimacy of the sealed materials and
> their seizure.
>
> Guess what the result in your case will be.
> (Left as an exercise to the reader.)
>
>
> : This bullshit pisses me off. . . And now they are saying that if
> : anything is damaged I can't do shit because my computer equipment was
> : "laying out unprotected"..
>
> Also typical of the type of computer seizures I have seen in past.
>
> The common practice is to keep the equipment long enough that it's
> obsolete when you get it back. Easy to do now-a-days.
>
>
> : Andy Goodwin
>
> -uni- (Dark)
>
> --
> 073BB885A786F666 nemo repente fuit turpissimus - potestas scientiae in usu est
> 6E6D4506F6EDBC17 quaere verum ad infinitum, loquitur sub rosa - wichtig!
>
** end quotation. **
Obviously, I did not post the portion claiming to be an "automated
message" and a warning to whomever will listen. Yet, the post claims to
be from me.
It seems then that someone is running a process which looks for posts to
alt.2600, and then automates the above response, original post attached,
to warn off system admins, fight crime, save the day, etc. etc.
Either that or Lance is bored again.
Does this disturb anyone besides me?
Most obviously, the misattributation is concerning. Clearly the threat
of misattributed automated posting is merely one more argument for
digitally signing each and every message and post.
Less obvious, but perhaps more ominous is the concept itself of automated
postings that amount to censorship chain letters. "System Administrator
A didn't pay attention to this message and refused to snoop into his users
directories and three weeks later his system was shut down. System
Administrator B headed this letter's warning, and saved his access provider
from certain doom!"
Look carefully at what this letter says, what it urges system operators
to do.
1> Because alt.2600 is occasionally used to trade pirate ftp sites, those
who post to alt.2600 are probably pirates. ergo, System Admins. should
check the directory of any users who post to alt.2600. If you don't
snoop, your system will be shut down.
2> alt.2600 is used to promote shoplifting, and irc disruption. (No
relevance is even attempted by the message on this point.)
And the purpose of the letter?
1> To alert you that this user is probably posting from a stolen
account. That the named user is probably a security risk, a
troublemaker, a political dissident, or whatever else comes to mind.
2> "To alert you that there are crackers on your machine." Not that
there MAY BE crackers, not that crackers are known to be on alt.2600, and
therefore may be on your system, but that crackers ARE ON YOUR MACHINE.
If the bald misrepresentation of this statement evades anyone who reads
this, I simply give up all hope.
3> That the post may be a violation of the access provider's membership
agreement. (As if the automated or manual sender of the message has any
idea what the membership agreement of my particular provider might be)
4> The user making this post may be preparing to break into [your
machine] or another system, if they have not done so already.
5> To suggest that system admins. "...keep a close eye on users who have
posted to alt.2600, and to inspect their files and email [if it's legal]."
For those recipients of this message that do not know me, I am an
attorney, a member of the D.C. bar, and a law abiding person. The
allegation that I, by replying to a message crossposted to alt.2600, am a
hacker, a cracker, a shoplifter, a vandal, or whatever other villan of the
week you might choose to insert is absurd. The above message constitutes
slander, defamation of character, and is entirely untrue in any regard
to me other than in so far as it indicates my words might have reached alt.2600
at some time or another.
The content of my original quoted message alone should indicate to any reader
how absurd the "automated posting"'s allegations are, and demonstrate the pure
uselessness of such an approach as of means of accomplishing anything
more than to annoy, accuse, threaten, and waste bandwidth.
The fact that the automated posting proports to be sent from me almost
makes whatever hacking I am supposed to have done seem tame.
From a legal standpoint, the automated posting is entirely lacking in any
basis whatsoever for increased scrutiny of my, or any other account
address which it slanders. Directing scrutiny to accounts posting at one
time or another to "questionable" newsgroups should prompt one to ask
one's self about the state of free speech in cyberspace, and
increasingly, in this country.
What has become of our system that discussion forums, be they on
"questionable" topics or not, become probable cause for investigating system
users, or rummaging through accounts.
I hereby inform the system administrators on my provider, as well as
others, that I would consider increased attention to my account, or any
other based on this sham of an "automated posting," harassment, invasion
without cause, a violation of several electronic privacy acts, and simple
witch hunting. Should I come by any indication that such attention is
directed to my account, I shall immediately terminate my account with
Express Access, and pursue what legal action is available to me to the
full extent possible.
System administrators would do well to inform themselves of the requirements
for intrusion into users accounts, the protections provided those accounts
both by statute, and constitution.
hile anonymous writings, political speech and literary products have a long
and sacred history in the United States, baseless accusations leveled by
anonymous finger pointers do not.
I find the tactic and tone of this automated posting distasteful and
offensive in the extreme. I urge system admins at my, and other
providers, to discourage the use of such automated witchhunts, and expose
the party/parties responsible for the distribution. I, for one, would be
very interested in talking to the individual/s responsible.
-uni- (Dark) [unicorn@access.digex.net]
073BB885A786F666 nemo repente fuit turpissimus - potestas scientiae in usu est
6E6D4506F6EDBC17 quaere verum ad infinitum, loquitur sub rosa - wichtig!
NODE 3f0ef96aRe: Automated Witchhunt: I've been slandered by a script.
skaplin@skypoint.com (Samuel Kaplin)Mon, 19 Dec 94 10:30:20 PST
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.941218033513.23234C-100000@access3.digex.net>, you wrote:
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>
>
> It seems then that someone is running a process which looks for posts to
> alt.2600, and then automates the above response, original post attached,
> to warn off system admins, fight crime, save the day, etc. etc.
> Either that or Lance is bored again.
Hi Uni,
I found this in alt.revenge and it may have something to do with your
problem. I didn't follow all of it, but then again I don't subscribe to
alt.2600.
Sam
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From: crk_test@guiness.ucns.uga.edu (Danhiel "Deviant?" Baker)
Newsgroups: alt.2600,alt.revenge
Subject: Thanks Cracker Buster!
Date: 17 Dec 1994 17:16:24 GMT
Organization: Beyond the Mists
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It's surprising to me that no one else has touched on this before; it'd
seem the natural thing for those that read 2600. While the automated
messages are rather annoying when you are making a "legit" post, you can use
this 'service' that Cracker Buster is providing for a bit of net-revenge.
News is easy to forge - the spammer demonstrated that quite handily - and
providing a new 'From:' line to a post that points to your favorite net-
nemesis. Some on alt.2600 are pro'ly already doing a similiar switch in
order to mis-direct the autoresponses and save themself a headache. With a
little thought I'm sure that you could generate quite an interesting post
that will have their sysadmin suspicious quite quickly. Just a thought...
For all of his hypocritical "goods intentions", Cracker Buster has provided
another method to cause all of that damage/destruction/evil/traffic
stoppage that he accuses us of. *grin*
No, I wouldn't actually suggest that you mis-direct the auto-replies in a
malicious way; a couple of "legit" ideas along this line would be to
screw-up your 'From:' line so that Cracker Buster gets a mailbox full of
returned-mail-bad-address (this I *do* suggest, naturlich!) and to add
your own 'Really-From: realme@real.address.com' line with your correct
address so that ppl that _really_ want to get in touch with you can. Some
variation on the line would be advised -- no need to make it easy for his
responder to handle. Take a look at the headers on CB's apology post for
more ideas and suggestions. Pro'ly need a "Sender:" line as well; I'll
know exactly after this post goes thru.
Danhiel
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NODE 83dc7835Re: Automated Witchhunt: I've been slandered by a script.
Jonathan Cooper <entropy@IntNet.net>Sun, 18 Dec 94 07:21:07 PST
> Obviously, I did not post the portion claiming to be an "automated
> message" and a warning to whomever will listen. Yet, the post claims to
> be from me.
I have recieved a pair of similar messages; I found it quite
irritating. The message is apparently from rcalasso@netcom.com, with
pointers to ghoast@gnu.ai.mit.edu.
> Does this disturb anyone besides me?
Yes. It irritates the shit out of me, to put it bluntly. I didn't
post anything remotely insecure, but how am I to know that my admins will
even read the text of my message? I don't want my account-space
searched, even though I'm not worried about anything being found - it's a
matter of principle.
> very interested in talking to the individual/s responsible.
Addresses are above.
-jon
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NODE 1dfe80d7Re: Automated Witchhunt: I've been slandered by a script.
warrior <warrior@infinet.com>Sun, 18 Dec 94 10:05:07 PST
Perhaps this is a prime time to sign all messages, and use hpack to
protect those unix files and directories from prying eyes. I am still
trying to figure out how to set up PGPsendmail or AutoPGP or connect PGP
to some mail program so this can be done automatically. I would
appreciate any help offerred.
Meanwhile, what can you do other than swamp their sysadmin with
complaints, forward their antics to CERT, as they have done?
Regards,
Dave
On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Jonathan Cooper wrote:
> Yes. It irritates the shit out of me, to put it bluntly. I didn't
> post anything remotely insecure, but how am I to know that my admins will
> even read the text of my message? I don't want my account-space
> searched, even though I'm not worried about anything being found - it's a
> matter of principle.
> -jon
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