Re: FV & PGP (was Re: First Virtual email security)

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On Thu, 15 Dec 1994 nsb@nsb.fv.com wrote:

> Moreover, if we supported PGP today, we might indirectly lend
> credibility to what we perceive as the incorrect belief that
> cryptography is NECESSARY for commerce.  Because we see cryptography as
> helpful, but not necessary, we aren't going to support PGP right away,
> but will probably add such support when a large enough portion of our
> customer base wants it and can make use of it.  

Without cryptography how exactly are you going to protect my credit card
numbers from sniffer-snoopers and crackers?  Either you will send the
credit card text in the clear, or it will be encrypted somehow.  Or perhaps
you will have customers call you over the phone to give you their credit
card info?  

- -NetSurfer

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On Thu, 15 Dec 1994, NetSurfer wrote:
> Without cryptography how exactly are you going to protect my credit card
> numbers from sniffer-snoopers and crackers?  Either you will send the
> credit card text in the clear, or it will be encrypted somehow.  Or perhaps
> you will have customers call you over the phone to give you their credit
> card info?  

Like phone calls are really that secure what with people using cordless 
and cellular phones that still transmit in the clear even with Congress' 
best efforts to grant a false sense of security by outlawing some types 
of scanners.

If you have to call, what would be the difference between this and normal 
mail order save tha the catalog is digital?  That's not a significant 
enough of a change to have it considered a new form of commerce.

Ben.
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"By the end of 1648 all was over.  Cromwell was Dictator.  The Royalists 
were crushed; Parliament was a tool;  the Constitution was a figment; the 
Scots rebuffed, the Welsh back in their mountains; the Fleet was 
reorganised, London overawed.  King Charles, at Carisbrooke Castle, where 
the donkey treads the water wheel, was left to pay the bill.  It was mortal."
			--Winston Churchill
			--_History_of_English_Speaking_Peoples Vol. II