Re: Transparent Email

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Eric wrote:
>I am still considering the "sign-or-delay" proposal for the toad.com
>server, that is, sign your articles to the list or they'll be delayed
>and eventually rejected.

Do it. Either it will work or it will kill the list. If it works, geat. If
it  kills the list, we would have failed in our mission anyway.

- --Lucky
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On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Lucky Green wrote:

> Eric wrote:
> >I am still considering the "sign-or-delay" proposal for the toad.com
> >server, that is, sign your articles to the list or they'll be delayed
> >and eventually rejected.
> 
> Do it. Either it will work or it will kill the list. If it works, geat. If
> it  kills the list, we would have failed in our mission anyway.

I second the motion.


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Lucky Green wrote:
> 
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> 
> Eric wrote:
> >I am still considering the "sign-or-delay" proposal for the toad.com
> >server, that is, sign your articles to the list or they'll be delayed
> >and eventually rejected.
> 
> Do it. Either it will work or it will kill the list. If it works, geat. If
> it  kills the list, we would have failed in our mission anyway.
> 

Yes, do it! Do it now! Do it tonight! I spend too much time reading
this list as it is, so this new requirement will actually mean *less*
time spent in e-mail, as I'd have to leave the list. Go for it!

You see, I'm reading with elm (on-line) or Eudora (off-line). And not
always both. It depends on what I'm doing.

(Standard request: Please don't send me advice on how _you_ are happy
with Slackware Linux v.3.845 running pine 3.4 on your Pinto-um box. Or
how you run PGP on your campus machines. Etc. I'm happy that you're
happy, which ought to be enough.)

I have little means of solving the Netcom-Macintosh-elm-Eudora issues,
and I don't see others solving them especially cleanly or usably, so I
expect that the "sign your messages or else" dictum would have a
predictable result, for me.

And isn't it up to the _readers_ to decide if they don't want to read
my messages because they think I'm not being diligent enought, or
because my messages appear to be forged?

Isn't end-user choice the core of the Cypherpunk ethos?

"You can't be an anarchist....your messages aren't formatted
according to the rules."

Can we get back to reality?

--Tim May


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I agree with Tim on this.  There's no way I'm going to leave PGP on
poly's machines with the key right there for anyone who manages to
hack into photon or prism (and yes, it has happened) to set up a fake
pgp asking for the passphrase to my key.

I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net
to make signing easy.  Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include
a built in terminal and mailer...

From: rarachel@prism.poly.edu (Arsen Ray Arachelian)

   I agree with Tim on this.  There's no way I'm going to leave PGP on
   poly's machines with the key right there for anyone who manages to
   hack into photon or prism (and yes, it has happened) to set up a fake
   pgp asking for the passphrase to my key.

Your key, singular?  Keys are cheap!  Everyone should have a bundle.

In addition, since I'm not planning on verifying the signatures at the
server, you are free to fake them.  Of course, if you fake them,
you'll have to set up just about the same amount of software as if you
used real crypto.  Since so much of deployment delay comes from bad
architecture, I consider setting up to fake a good thing.

Eric

> I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net
> to make signing easy.  Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include
> a built in terminal and mailer...

You can use uqwk to download/upload both news and mail. You can then 
read/reply with an offline reader like yarn or ReadMail. Yarn has hooks 
to PGP, so signing a message is a menu choice. Installation could be 
easier, but once it's done, the combo works very smoothly.

-rex

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In article <7SMtkKjqRa71075yn@skypoint.com>, you wrote:
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>In article <TSHtkCDmF54P072yn@netcom.com>, you wrote:
>> > I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net
>> > to make signing easy.  Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include
>> > a built in terminal and mailer...
>>
>> You can use uqwk to download/upload both news and mail. You can then
>> read/reply with an offline reader like yarn or ReadMail. Yarn has hooks
>> to PGP, so signing a message is a menu choice. Installation could be
>> easier, but once it's done, the combo works very smoothly.
>
>Even better yet use AUTOPGP and everything is signed automagicly.

Any idea as to where I can get a copy of AUTOPGP? I'm a YARN user but
would like to check it out.

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In article <TSHtkCDmF54P072yn@netcom.com>, you wrote:
> > I usually dial in to poly, I don't have (yet) a unix box on the net
> > to make signing easy.  Until the DOS or Mac versions of PGP include
> > a built in terminal and mailer...
>
> You can use uqwk to download/upload both news and mail. You can then
> read/reply with an offline reader like yarn or ReadMail. Yarn has hooks
> to PGP, so signing a message is a menu choice. Installation could be
> easier, but once it's done, the combo works very smoothly.

Even better yet use AUTOPGP and everything is signed automagicly.

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