Re: Here's what will happen to U.S. based remailers

At 9:11 AM 1/24/95, Brad Dolan wrote:
>I just got a call.  Supposedly Clinton just pulled an executive order
>out of his navel last night, confiscating the assets of 12 "terrorist
>groups" and 18 disfavored people.  CNN is reporting a few of the names,
>but not all.  The ones they mention are associated with groups like
>"Islamic Jihad".  These groups are hard to defend, but if he can do it
>to them today, he can do it to you tomorrow.
>
>My old German acquaintance says that Hitler used to do this, issuing
>midnight decrees to seize property, make new prohibitions, etc.

Many years ago, I read a poem by a German priest that stated that the Nazis
first start with the groups that nobody likes, then those that most people
don't like, until at last they knock on your door.

The more things change, the more they stay the same?



-- Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>
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On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Lucky Green wrote:

> Many years ago, I read a poem by a German priest that stated that the Nazis
> first start with the groups that nobody likes, then those that most people
> don't like, until at last they knock on your door.
> 
> The more things change, the more they stay the same?

Is this the poem, Lucky?

     They [Nazis] came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
     Then they came for the Jews, 
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
     Then they came for the Catholics, 
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
     Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one left to speak up.
                         - Martin Niemller

Seems appropriate lately, doesn't it?

Sam

Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:15:20 -0600 (CST)
    From: Samuel Kaplin <skaplin@mirage.skypoint.com>
    
    On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Lucky Green wrote:
    
    > Many years ago, I read a poem by a German priest
    
    Is this the poem, Lucky?
    
         They [Nazis] came first for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
         Then they came for the Jews, 
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
         Then they came for the Catholics, 
    and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
         Then they came for me,
    and by that time there was no one left to speak up.
                             - Martin Niemller
    
Close.  You left out trade unionists and misspelled his last name, but
certainly got the bulk of it.  I'm typing from a pink triangular
button only because it's close by (pinned to my clinic escorting hat),
but I've previously verified that it matches the text from other
sources.  Of course, it may very well be a translation . . . .

I believe that Rishab Ghosh also sent an approximation of this text
out to the list a while back.

			Rick



	``In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I
	    didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
	   Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak
	    up because I wasn't a Jew.  Then they came for
	      the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up
	       because I wasn't a trade unionist.  Then
		  they came for the Catholics, and I
		   didn't speak up because I was a
		   Protestant.  Then they came for
			me -- and by that time
			   no one was left
			    to speak up.''
				   
			      - Pastor
				Martin
			        Niemoller

On Tue, 24 Jan 1995, Samuel Kaplin wrote:

> Is this the poem, Lucky?

Not quite.  It's this one:

	First they came for the communists,
	and I did not speak out, for I was not one;
	They came for the Jews,
	and I was silent because I was not a Jew;
	They came for the Trade Unionists,
	and I did not protest, because I did not belong to a trade union;
	They came for the Catholics,
	and I said nothing because I was not a Catholic;
	And then they came for me.
	There was no one left to say anything...

	Rev Martin Niemoeller, 1945

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