Re: Storm Signals

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Sam Kaplin writes:
> Todd Masco writes:
> > 	1: Somebody's roommate (a Green Beret) has been called back into
> > 		6 months of active service.  He was not told where he'd be.
> 
> Perhaps Bosnia?

I doubt it. The only sort of Bosnian engagement that might make sense would
involve a fairly conspicuous effort with a large number of troops. I can't
see what a few thousand Green Berets could accomplish there.

Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that
seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of
the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a
strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc.

Is it time for Bay of Pigs II already ?  ;)

 -L. Futplex McCarthy

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L. McCarthy writes:
> Sam Kaplin writes:
> > Todd Masco writes:
> > > 	1: Somebody's roommate (a Green Beret) has been called back into
> > > 		6 months of active service.  He was not told where he'd be.
> > Perhaps Bosnia?
> 
> I doubt it. [...]
> 
> Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that
> seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of
> the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a
> strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc.

Military action also requires political will, and with the recent change
in power in the US govt there is no way anything is going to happen for at
least six months.  Freshmen congressmen do not sign off on a war the first
month they get into Washington unless the populace is frothing at the mouth
to kill someone, and that isn't happening.  Clinton does not have the
political pull to get anything related to military action through Congress
at this time, and he can't afford to challenge a legislature he no longer
controls so any call to arms is probably not coming from the Executive
branch.  I also doubt he would be stupid enough to try a "Commander in
Chief" action and hope that the Republicans would forget who scores the
popularity points in such an activity and back him up, the legislature
would crucify him with the electorate for trying move like this.

OTOH, Green Berets are not the kind of troops used for "strike" actions.
Thier primary specialty is low-intensity conflict and working with
indigenous armies.  Given the current geopolitical situation it seems that
Bosnia is the only conflict that the US population cares about at all that
would call for the use of Green Berets.  Then again, maybe the military is
just trying to increase its readiness in the hopes that a Republican
legislature will let them use thier toys again...

jim

A paratrooper girl named Christina, had just finished paratrooper
school at  Ft. Bragg. She was headed to Mpls, right around Hallowween.
Then we didn't hear from her for almost a month. Then came the Panama,
troop action, over the Haitian refugees. She didn't get picked, so they
let her come to Mpls, finally. If something goes quiet, you can be sure
something's up. I'd start betting on a Cuban thing first, as Castro
isn't getting any younger. The  U.S. needs the insurgent people in
Cuba rather than having them over here. That's my "guess".

Registered<BETSI>BEllcore Trusted Software Integrity system programmer
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In article <199501110842.DAA07468@bb.hks.net>, you wrote:
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> Sam Kaplin writes:

> > Perhaps Bosnia?
>
> I doubt it. The only sort of Bosnian engagement that might make sense would
> involve a fairly conspicuous effort with a large number of troops. I can't
> see what a few thousand Green Berets could accomplish there.
>
> Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that
> seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of
> the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a
> strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc.
>
> Is it time for Bay of Pigs II already ?  ;)

Perhaps it is two unrelated events. Maybe the Russians are using GPS in
their attack on Chechnya, and the administration decided "Not on our dime."

The call up could possibly be related to the repatriacion of the Hatian
boat people or even a continued presence in Hatii. I think Atistede still
needs lots of proping up. The Ton-Ton Macoutes, from Baby Doc and Papa
Doc's dictatorship were the police and military of the previous one. They
just vanished into the population. Its almost the perfect guerilla force,
just the thing the berets are into. This would be much more likely if the
individual was of African decent. From what I have heard, prior to any
military action in Hatii, we had a sizable force of Special Forces, Green
Berets and other elete troops in place. Most of them were black. This was
because they blended in with the populace. Perhaps the forces on the ground
needed to be rotated and personnel came up short. I don't know...but if it
is anything we, should find out real soon.

Manditory crypto thought...I wonder if the government has taken any steps
to prevent the INTERNET from being used for C3 functions, like it was used
during the gulf war by Iraq. (I know...I know...pretty weak, but the
communications has to have been encrypted. :) )

Sam

BTW-You always do this to me Louis...I was just going to go to bed, and
boom I'm up another hour. Grrrrrrrrrrr ;)
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Samuel Kaplin <skaplin@mirage.skypoint.com> wrote:
>Perhaps it is two unrelated events. Maybe the Russians are using GPS in
>their attack on Chechnya, and the administration decided "Not on our dime."

To clarify a little bit:  I summarized wrongly.  The GPS fine location has
not been turned off, the dithering has been turned off.  In essence,
the GPS fine positioning usually lies in a particular algorithmic way
designed to make determining exact locations extrememly difficult.

In theory, the military GPS units bypass this dithering.  Either it doesn't
work or there aren't enough military units (I believe the latter is the
official story), but GPS fine positioning has been turned off during times
like the Iraq massacre and the Haiti invasion so that the military can
use civilian units.

In any case, it turns out that the Green Beret in question is being sent
to Haiti.  It doesn't explain the GPS, tho.  There's lots-o-speculation
elsewhere on the net.
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In article <199501112004.PAA12969@bb.hks.net>, you wrote:

> to Haiti.  It doesn't explain the GPS, tho.  There's lots-o-speculation
> elsewhere on the net.

I wonder if this might be a response to the recent Korean downing of one of
our choppers. Hand them all a civilian GPS and say "DON'T GET LOST!!!"

Sam

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L. McCarthy wrote:
> Sam Kaplin writes:
> > Todd Masco writes:
> > > 	1: Somebody's roommate (a Green Beret) has been called back into
> > > 		6 months of active service.  He was not told where he'd be.
> > 
> > Perhaps Bosnia?
> 
> I doubt it. The only sort of Bosnian engagement that might make sense would
> involve a fairly conspicuous effort with a large number of troops. I can't
> see what a few thousand Green Berets could accomplish there.
> 
> Frankly, I'm quite puzzled by these signs. I can't think of any country that
> seems due for a quick invasion by the USG, but the increase in granularity of
> the GPS information suggests an operation of greater magnitude than just a
> strike against terrorists, drug cartels etc.

CNN reported on Monday that U.S. troops are being sent back to Somalia
to ensure and orderly and safe withdrawal of U.N. peacekeeping forces.

This might explain the few thousand Green Berets being sent, if this
is so. About the GPS, I have nok idea, though it seems plausible.

I know this has no Cypherpunks relevance, but I see a lot of
speculation, so I thought adding what CNN is reporting might help.

--Tim

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Not relevant to cypherpunks-- just call me Carol Anne--

If I were the DOD, I would set the standard GPS default to selective
availability. After all, with SA on military receivers can still get
fine positioning data. If someone could come up with a good reason to
turn SA off, great, but I wouldn't leave it on otherwise.

The scenarios concerning GPS-piloted Cessnas full of nasty stuff come
to mind, especially vis-a-vis the North Koreans. They probably don't
have accurate IRBMs but they certainly could cobble together a
Learjet-based delivery system.

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On Wed, 11 Jan 1995, Paul Robichaux wrote:

> If I were the DOD, I would set the standard GPS default to selective
> availability. After all, with SA on military receivers can still get
> fine positioning data. If someone could come up with a good reason to
> turn SA off, great, but I wouldn't leave it on otherwise.

This gets discussed to death over on the sci.geo.satellite-nav group.
The consensus is that you don't want to advertise your intentions, but
political considerations have always overridden practicalities.

> The scenarios concerning GPS-piloted Cessnas full of nasty stuff come
> to mind, especially vis-a-vis the North Koreans. They probably don't
> have accurate IRBMs but they certainly could cobble together a
> Learjet-based delivery system.

This too gets discussed to death over on the sci.geo.satellite-nav group.
The consensus is that a car-bomb is cheaper and more reliable, and needs
nothing more than a street-directory for navigation.

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Tim May writes:

> 
> This might explain the few thousand Green Berets being sent, if this
> is so. About the GPS, I have nok idea, though it seems plausible.
> 

	According to a couple of friends who are evaluating use of GPS
for precisely locating radio transmissions the usual selective availablity
dither is still turned on and there have been no public announcements
about any changes in the status of the C/A (public) part of the system.
The P code part of the system is only available to the military and
announcements about it may not be made from the usual USCG BBS that
carries stuff about the civilian signals, but they know nothing about
any change in GPS status recently, nor has there been any change
in the amount of dither or its (random) nature.

							Dave Emery