"bad" government

>From: erc@s116.slcslip.indirect.com (Ed Carp [khijol Sysadmin])

>Governments as a whole are seen to be "bad" because they invariably undermine
the right of the individual to make choices for themselves.

Quite untrue. It's society which provides you with an environment in which
you have choices. And its government which orders that society. It's
because government has served you so well, that you have luxury to
fantasize you don't need it. You're being duped.

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>The so-called "Third Wave" has nothing to do with government and everything to
do with the empowerment of the individual.  Some seem to not recognize that.

The "Third Wave" -- if you take the PFF's Magna Carta definition (and
Toffler is one of the authors) -- is a power grab by corporations to return
the world economy to status of the USA economy in the 1880's. You so-called
libertarians might like the theoretical, abstract formula of "unregulated
capital", but if you'd put down your Friedman long enough to read history,
you'd know that it was a disaster. Unregulated capitalism is incompatible
with a civilized societiy.

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>This has always been the case throughout history - the forces of dark, of
disinformation, have always attempted to keep true power from the hands of
the people.

So why are you on the wrong side?


-rkm

PS> If this list would like to see the full Magna Carta, or my
analysis/review of it ("Electric Dreams" sent you a few clips), please let
me know.



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Richard K. Moore - rkmoore@iol.ie - Wexford, Ireland - fax +353 53 23970

Richard K. Moore says:
> The "Third Wave" -- if you take the PFF's Magna Carta definition (and
> Toffler is one of the authors) -- is a power grab by corporations to return
> the world economy to status of the USA economy in the 1880's. You so-called
> libertarians might like the theoretical, abstract formula of "unregulated
> capital", but if you'd put down your Friedman long enough to read history,
> you'd know that it was a disaster. Unregulated capitalism is incompatible
> with a civilized societiy.

Before starting a giant flamewar here, let me simply note that some of
us violently disagree with everything -- ever last detail -- of what
you have to say -- indeed, probably the majority of people here. Since
this isn't a list for discussion of politics, I'll simply suggest that
this isn't the right place to discuss this.

Perry

Richard K. Moore says:
> libertarians might like the theoretical, abstract formula of "unregulated
> capital", but if you'd put down your Friedman long enough to read history,
> you'd know that it was a disaster.

Perry Metzger says:
> Before starting a giant flamewar here, let me simply note that some of
> us violently disagree with everything -- ever last detail -- of what
> you have to say -- indeed, probably the majority of people here. Since
> this isn't a list for discussion of politics, I'll simply suggest that
> this isn't the right place to discuss this.

Some others of us, however, are very happy to see that there are 
people still subscribed to this list who don't buy into the tripe that
the "majority" of the people here try to pass off as a political philosophy.

This list _ought_ to be the wrong place for politics, but it is
disingenuous to imply that politics, and pretty nutty politics at that,
doesn't consume a hefty fraction of what this list spews out. The fact
that someone expressing a moderate viewpoint is in danger of being 
flambeed is the list's problem, not Mr. Moore's.

                                 -- Will