Re: Abuse and Remailer Ethics

>This thread illustrates (at least if setup's like this are
>worthy of a place in Raph's list) that penet.fi is the safest
>way to go for the moment. I would just hate it to have my
>head on the plate of a remailer operator who takes an interest
>in subtile ethical discussion of whether to sell me out or not.

If you chain it through 3 or 4 remailers with PGP, then pretty much all 3
or 4 of them have got to decide to sell you out.  I trust Julf a lot, but
I'm not sure I trust him four times as much as much as every other remailer
operator.  Or something like that.

You can also probably use penet as a link on your larger chain, although
I've never tried this to see how it works.

And I would note that the "subtle ethical discussion" seemed to consist of
the operator trying to figure out what he should do in the future about
this sort of thing, and he never even seemed to consider turning over the
name of the anon user.  Although he did acknowledge that in the future he
might, or might work with other operators to try and discover a True Name.
*shrug*

> If you chain it through 3 or 4 remailers with PGP, then pretty much all 3
> or 4 of them have got to decide to sell you out. I trust Julf a lot, but
> I'm not sure I trust him four times as much as every other remailer
> operator. Or something like that.

I am familiar with this argument and agree. In the discussed case
the alleged abuser had only used one remailer (on a site that keeps
logs world readable at that!). Laziness, I guess. There are ways of
multiple chaining for the lazy, though: C2 lets you pick the chained
sites by clicking on a web-page (but does it encrypt??).

Mats

Sorry I'm a tad late. This time I got axed for just two groups.
C2.orgs WWW page doesn't, but only sameer knows for sure.
And you might have fun looking at the "I thought you should see it
first", in news.admin.policy  Feel free to post it anywhere you 
like as anonymously as you like. There are lots CP ref's in it, and 
and if I don't do the reposting, I can't get in trouble.

Now I've got to catch up reading & fixing WWW pages, and I'll link every
WWW ref I see on this list in a dy or two. Thanks, Carol Anne
 
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On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Mats Bergstrom wrote:
> multiple chaining for the lazy, though: C2 lets you pick the chained
> sites by clicking on a web-page (but does it encrypt??).
> 
> Mats