NODE 77e65197Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
an253398@anon.penet.fi (Mole Rat)Wed, 19 Jul 95 23:27:57 PDT
Ray Arachelian writes:
> Hell, at this point, my guess is that the mafia(s) doesn't use crypto, or
> that if it does, it can be caught via other means. A strong, well
> developed crypto system in use by the mafia would more than likely never
> happen... not until mobsters get into computers. Ditto for terrorists.
Sounds like an untapped market segment. In which periodicals
should one advertise consulting services in order to cover the
mobster market?
Seriously, I imagine that organized crime, like any other
business, uses computers. Their level of crypto usage could be
impressive, given the incentives.
> If they did use crypto, I suspect they wouldn't get caught. (For the
> paranoid, assuming they used crypto, and they didn't get caught, then the
> FBI or other TLA is doing the same as the gov't in Farenheight 451...
> pick someone else, and jail them. Otherwise, how do you explain all the
> jailbird mobsters?)
"There is no honor among thieves." Wiretaps, bugs, tails,
informants, and good, old-fashioned, physical intimidation
probably produce plenty of leads.
I wasn't entirely facetious above about working for the mob,
they probably pay well and don't bother with FICA and such. Plus
there's that "family" atmosphere....
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NODE 5707f1a0Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
Ray Arachelian <sunder@escape.com>Mon, 24 Jul 95 11:06:46 PDT
On Thu, 20 Jul 1995, Mole Rat wrote:
> Sounds like an untapped market segment. In which periodicals
> should one advertise consulting services in order to cover the
> mobster market?
For those of the anonymous pay-me-in-(digitial/physical)-cash only
underground types, yes.
> Seriously, I imagine that organized crime, like any other
> business, uses computers. Their level of crypto usage could be
> impressive, given the incentives.
Speculation of course. No better, or closer to the truth either one way
or the other? (Any of you anons work for the mob? if so, is the mob
'puter-happy?)
> "There is no honor among thieves." Wiretaps, bugs, tails,
> informants, and good, old-fashioned, physical intimidation
> probably produce plenty of leads.
Two logical possibilities.
0. Mobsters still get caught and thrown in jail.
1. They don't use crypto at all. All records are in the open and
searchable. LEA's wet dream.
2. They use strong crypto and can't be caught at all. LEA's nightmare.
3. They use crypto, but are still catchable (oops, the secret is out of
the bag now, cancel all the computer related RICO nonsense.)
4. They don't use crypto, but keep no records, or hide them well. They
can still be caught by LEA's.
3 & 4 are the most likely, and the LEA's shameful little secret. They
cry wolf to set a wolf trap, but meanwhile they're hunting wabbits, not
wolves.
> I wasn't entirely facetious above about working for the mob,
> they probably pay well and don't bother with FICA and such. Plus
> there's that "family" atmosphere....
Errmm.. precisely the reason to stay away from them. While the first few
parts of your above paragraph are quite tempting, the last sentence is
deadly. You can't quit from your "family" without cement shoes. So I'll
stay away from that line of ...um... work.
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