NODE 15050ee6Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995
liberty@gate.net (Jim Ray)Thu, 13 Jul 95 12:34:50 PDT
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Weld Pond <weld@l0pht.com> responding to
Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com>
<good discussion snipped>
wrote:
>That raises an interesting issue.
<good discussion snipped>
>Will they have to invent a huge new bureaucracy
>to manage all these devices and programs?
Talk about a self-answering question...How else could it be done?
>There are many problems with this idea of
>Government Access to Devices or Programs (GADOP).
I can think of only one problem with the idea,
it's called the Bill of Rights.
[If there is anything left of it after this session of Congress.]
>A toolset that could build many different encryption
>and decryption variations based on psuedo-random input
>may be a good tool to fight this nonsense.
Agreed. As well as steganographic software of many kinds
to hide this terrible "crime" we all love to commit, for
the peace loving among us...
BUT [and I hope this doesn't happen.]
I fear that the anarchy resulting from this kind of statist
idiocy will lead many (otherwise peaceful) folks to think that the
only good tool to fight this nonsense is a good shotgun.
Of course, then we can simply outlaw those, too.
<good discussion snipped>
Regards,
Jim Ray
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NODE d4823393Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995
David Scoggins <gds@connex.com>Fri, 14 Jul 95 02:06:58 PDT
According to Shari Steele:
> Fortunately, the bill does not have a very promising future. The bill has
> no co-sponsors. It was immediately referred to the Committee on the
> Judiciary, where it currently sits. LEXIS's bill tracking report only
> gives it a 10% chance of passing out of the committee.
Thank God, if true.
After lurking on this list for a couple of months, I finally feel
motivated to comment by this latest bout of official stupidity.
I realize that I am preaching to the choir here, so if you don't need any
more convincing, feel free to delete this now. And for those readers not
in the US - pray pardon the US-centric tone of this piece.
I have been steadily lowering my opinion of the human race for 20 years
now. It is depressing to realize that I may have to ratchet it downward
another notch or two. That our various elected representatives and
assorted civil masters are stupid, venal, corrupt, short-sighted,
incompetant, arrogant, foolish, greedy, megalomaniacal, immoral poltroons
with the manners of billy goats utterly lacking in common sense or common
decency no longer surprises me. What does still surprise me is just *how*
stupid, venal, corrupt, etc they really are. If we can not govern
ourselves better than this, then we really are just overgrown chimpanzees.
And our cousin primates should probably feel insulted by the comparison.
The United States used to be a special place, and I used to be proud of
being a citizen of this country. Sadly, this is no longer true. Our
government, in all three of its branches and its multiplicity of
agencies, bureaus, departments and services, has made a mockery of the
Constitution. The Ninth and Tenth Amendments are laughed at, the Fourth
and Fifth Amendments are in tatters, the Second is under incessant
attack, and the First... well, the First Amendment to the Constitution
of the United States is basically being gang-raped by Congress as we speak.
Consider those words, "as we speak". Clearly, I consider what I am doing
now to be "speech". It is not face to face, I am not in the presence of
all of you in one place at one time speaking these words aloud - but it
is still speech. Most of you who read this, perhaps all of you, will
agree, I think. What we do on the 'net - in email, in Usenet, in irc -
is communication between human beings - fundamentally, speech. It is
obvious to us that speech, regardless of medium, should be protected by
the First Amendment.
Equally obvious, many in Congress, the Administration and the Federal Courts
disagree. The courts, and in particular the Supreme Court have by a
process of straining at gnats and swallowing camels "interpreted" the
Constitution in such a way as to permit clearly unconstitutional laws and
practices to continue. They are wrong, but so what. The knowledge that
you are wholly right and that your opponents are wholly wrong is of small
comfort when the noose is around your neck.
Many Americans now actively fear the Federal government and its Law
Enforcement Agencies, and justly so. Every day more evidence emerges of
profound and widespread abuse of power, corruption and official arrogance
on the part of the LEAs, yet many of our Senators introduce and vote for
legislation that would severely weaken the precious few remaining
restraints on their power, and grant them even broader and ever more
sweeping powers to invade the privacy and abridge the rights of American
citizens.
The United States used to be special. It was founded by people who
believed that human beings had rights that were *not* simply privileges
granted by the state, but were innate and could *not* be taken away. (Or
at least you did as long as you were an adult white male property
owner.) They believed that governments had no powers unless they were
granted by the people, not the other way round. In short, they believed
in the principles and philosophy outlined in the Declaration of Independence.
This is no longer the case. Two hundred and nineteen years later, we pay
lip service to the ideals of the Declaration every July Fourth, but the
last person in Congress who paid any attention to those ideals was
apparently Barry Goldwater.
Let us be realistic for a moment. Consider this a half-hearted apologia
for Senator Grassly, if you will. France already bans crypto, modulo
some exceptions that I believe are rather hard to qualify for. And I
consider a judicial system based on the Napoleonic Code reprehensible.
Yet by all accounts France remains a tolerable and decent place to live.
Without irony, most people refer to France as part of the Free World.
The UK, Canada and Australia have censorship laws, Official Secrets Acts
and the like that permit prior restraint of publication and other things
that we Americans find distressing. Yet I believe that the UK, Canada and
Australia remain tolerable and decent places to live, and they too are
considered part of the Free World.
If Senator Grassly's bill is enacted into law, it will not be the End of
the World. The United States will not suddenly have become Nazi Germany.
This country will remain, for the vast majority of Americans and even
most cypherpunks, a tolerable and decent place to live. It will still be
one of the few countries in the world to grant its citizens the
relatively unchecked freedom to speak their minds, to work at whatever
profession or occupation they wish, to travel where they wish.
It just means that a tiny bit more of our rights will have been eroded,
our freedom lost - a little bit more of what used to make this a special
place, of what used to make this country different from - and in my
opinion as a still somewhat patriotic American - better than France, Canada,
Australia and the UK - will have disappeared.