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NODE da6483c1Certificates/Anonymity/Policy/True Names
I have a question which is of course purely hypothetical.

Suppose you were designing the legal framework that would govern the 
operation of Certification Authorities (the people who issue certificates 
vouching for public keys used for digitial signatures), called CAs for 
short.  The CAs will operate in a hierarchical model (not a 
PGP-web-of-trust model), with a state agency being at the root, and 
issuing certificates for private CAs.

You have decided to allow the private CAs to issue certificates of varying
degrees of corroberation so long as the degree of verification used is
deducible from the certificate.  E.g. a certificate might say "we check
the passport"; or "we check driver's license" or "we took blood, hair,
fingprint, retinal scan and first-born child".  It might even say "we
checked nothing".  You have also decided that a CA may issue a certificate
in the name of a pseudonym, so long as the CA retains information about
the True Name.  Now the issue arises as to whether one should allow the CA
to issue certificates to pseudonyms where it has *no record* of the real
identity of the person proffering the key pair. 

Is there any reason why a person would want such a certificate?  In other 
words, given that the recipient of a digital signature will easily be 
able to check the value of the certificate (nil), won't the 
transaction/communication be in all ways identical to one where there was 
no certificate at all.  So is anything of value lost by prohibiting such 
a certificate?

I understand, of course, that in a world where the CA has no duty to 
check the client's representations, there is a somewhat farcical element 
to this debate, but this hypothetical problem involves group decision 
making and groups find themselves debating irrational things.

A. Michael Froomkin        | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax)
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NODE 285e46a0Re: Certificates/Anonymity/Policy/True Names
| I have a question which is of course purely hypothetical.

[Description of a certificate with no backing deleted.]

| Is there any reason why a person would want such a certificate?  In other 
| words, given that the recipient of a digital signature will easily be 
| able to check the value of the certificate (nil), won't the 
| transaction/communication be in all ways identical to one where there was 
| no certificate at all.  So is anything of value lost by prohibiting such 
| a certificate?

	I'll turn the question around, and ask, is anything of value
gained by prohibiting such a thing?  If not, why not let people pay
for worthless things, should people so desire?

	Does the Government have a duty to prevent us from wasting our
time or money?

	On another tack, I'll say, yes, there is something of value
lost, and that is the easy creation of pseudonyms.  Pseudonyms are
useful for the creation of a persistant, although untraceable
identity.  Having those identities in the certification tree is, I
suspect, as good a thing as the CA as a whole.  

Adam

-- 
"It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once."
					               -Hume
NODE cd4ade3fRe: Certificates/Anonymity/Policy/True Names
On Fri, 18 Aug 1995, Adam Shostack wrote:

> 	I'll turn the question around, and ask, is anything of value
> gained by prohibiting such a thing?  If not, why not let people pay
> for worthless things, should people so desire?
> 
because you have to pick your fights. If nothing's lost, there are other 
fish to fry.


A. Michael Froomkin        | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax)
Associate Professor of Law | mfroomki@umiami.ir.miami.edu
U. Miami School of Law     | 
P.O. Box 248087            | It's hot here.  And humid.
Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA |
See http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/6095/articles/froomkin-metaphor/text.html
and http://www.law.cornell.edu/jol/froomkin.htm