Bet e$ on how long it will take for PGPFone to make it overseas!

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To loosen up the often so serious discussions on the list, I propose a
little game. PGPFone's release is about a week away. PRZ is trying his
hardest to keep it from being exported. Still, I have the feeling that
some irresponsible cyphercriminal will break US law and export PGPFone
anyway. Let us bet cyberbucks on how long it will take for this crime to
happen. Here is my initial offer:

I bet e$50 that PGPFone will have been exported 24 hours after its final
release has been announced to this list. Who is willing to take the bet?
Perhaps someone is willing to bet at less time?

Have fun,

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In article <199508140120.VAA24979@bb.hks.net>,
shamrock@netcom.com (Lucky Green) wrote:
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>
>To loosen up the often so serious discussions on the list, I propose a
>little game. PGPFone's release is about a week away. PRZ is trying his
>hardest to keep it from being exported. Still, I have the feeling that
>some irresponsible cyphercriminal will break US law and export PGPFone
>anyway. Let us bet cyberbucks on how long it will take for this crime to
>happen. Here is my initial offer:

>I bet e$50 that PGPFone will have been exported 24 hours after its final
>release has been announced to this list. Who is willing to take the bet?
>Perhaps someone is willing to bet at less time?

I don't bet money but I'd bet a debit note of 1U$ that it'll happen after
it appears in someones home directory, is multiply encrypted and
anonymously mailed. I give it about 78msec after the recievers local
hardware is done crunching for it to be on it's way. ;-)

I say substantially less than 24hrs...

Ayep.

On Sun, 13 Aug 1995, Lucky Green wrote:

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> 
> To loosen up the often so serious discussions on the list, I propose a
> little game. PGPFone's release is about a week away. PRZ is trying his
> hardest to keep it from being exported. Still, I have the feeling that
> some irresponsible cyphercriminal will break US law and export PGPFone
> anyway. Let us bet cyberbucks on how long it will take for this crime to
> happen. Here is my initial offer:
> 
> I bet e$50 that PGPFone will have been exported 24 hours after its final
> release has been announced to this list. Who is willing to take the bet?
> Perhaps someone is willing to bet at less time?
> 
> Have fun,
> 

This is a sucker bet ... more appropriate would be that you bet it will
take longer than X amount of time. Verification would be tricky too.

-Mike

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$50 for 24 hours?  That's a bit too conservative.  I'd say within the 
first 3 hours or less, and you can bet, non-final versions too will make 
their way before that time. :-)

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I thought I saw a version over at ftp.hacktic.nl already. 
I tawt I taw a puddy tat. I did, I did taw a puddy tat!
And it's been in the incoming directory for all weekend too!

On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Ray Arachelian wrote:

> $50 for 24 hours?  That's a bit too conservative.  I'd say within the 
> first 3 hours or less, and you can bet, non-final versions too will make 
> their way before that time. :-)
> 
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> <--+-->|                 | Constitutional right vanishes.  |6 _\-  -/_  6|
>   /|\  |    Just Say     |                                 |----\  /---- | 
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> =======/---------------------------------------------------------VI------/
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>      / another freedom vanished before my eyes.  How soon before we see/
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A great place to start
My Cyber Doc...

Hello cypherpunks@toad.com
  and shamrock@netcom.com (Lucky Green)

...
> Still, I have the feeling that
> some irresponsible cyphercriminal will break US law and export PGPFone
> anyway.
...

Fi! You would not suggest that anyone would do that, do you?

There are other ways to get it out, no? For instance, shortly after it
is out, call the police stating that your home was burgled.

Items missing? A few disks of publicly-available freeware.

So what? *The Security of the Nation is at risk!*


Good luck!

Jiri
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