NODE 30ddf1d7Re: CYPHERPUNK considered harmful.
tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May)Fri, 15 Sep 95 13:34:24 PDT
At 3:25 PM 9/15/95, Peter Trei wrote:
>Tim, I don't want to take your toy away, or minimize the acheivements
It's not "my toy" for anyone to take away.
The burden of proof lies with those who want the name "Cypherpunks"
changed, not those who are happy to let things go as they've been going.
Look, you've written a couple of long pieces explaining why a more
conservative name would be better, I've written some pieces on why it's not
a very workable idea, and yet I doubt anyone on the list has changed their
views. Or at least only a very tiny fraction.
The point being that things gain inertia, just the way it is. History
counts. Names stick.
But if you and your follows wish to change things, go ahead and have a
schism. That's what the Protestants did, once they realized the Catholic
Church wouldn't be changing it's system anytime soon.
--Tim May
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NODE 22b1812dRe: CYPHERPUNK harmful. THE TRUTH IS TOLD
Steven Greenberg <greenbes@netcom.com>Fri, 15 Sep 95 14:45:17 PDT
>
> But if you and your follows wish to change things, go ahead and have a
> schism. That's what the Protestants did, once they realized the Catholic
> Church wouldn't be changing it's system anytime soon.
>
> --Tim May
>
Hmmmm... If memory serves, a year or so ago there was just such a schism
when a prominent cypherpunk split off and formed the "cypherWONKS" list.
The failure of that list can be attributed to one thing and one thing
alone: a concerted effort by YOU and your acolytes against it. You refuse
to even mention this, which is all the proof any open-minded person needs.
Now you are trying to stifle all open debate by doing it again. So, Mr.
May/Szabo (if that IS your name), why not come clean once and for all
about your role in the deaths of Vince Foster and Randy Weaver's wife, and
your part in the newly-emerging administration scandal: TENTACLE-gate.
Watch the skies,
Steve
NODE 01d7bb5dRe: CYPHERPUNK harmful. THE TRUTH IS TOLD
kelso@netcom.com (Tom Rollins)Fri, 15 Sep 95 15:34:56 PDT
Steve says:
> Hmmmm... If memory serves, a year or so ago there was just such a schism
> when a prominent cypherpunk split off and formed the "cypherWONKS" list.
> The failure of that list can be attributed to one thing and one thing
> alone: a concerted effort by YOU and your acolytes against it.
EEEK,
"cypherWONKS" sounds to me like someone working for Bill Clinton.
I believe that Bill and Hillary are the only people that I have
heard use this WONK term. Even they didn't like WONKS.