NODE 3d72329fWhy ecash is traceable
Hal <hfinney@shell.portal.com>Thu, 14 Sep 95 22:34:01 PDT
There has been considerable discussion on sci.crypt and on the
cypherpunks list about the fact that currently proposed digital cash is
"traceable", or to put it another way, that there is no payee anonymity.
This is an annoying asymmetry, where the payor is protected more than
the payee. But there is a fundamental reason for this, which I want to
explain here. It is not just perversity on the part of digital cash
designers.
The problem is that there is a conflict between the desire for payee
anonymity and the need to prevent double spending. And preventing
double spending is far more important, since without that the cash would
be worthless. Here is how the conflict occurs.
Suppose Alice has a piece of digital cash which she wants to spend with
Bob. She goes through some protocol and transfers data to him. Bob,
then or later, sends some resulting data to the bank and gets his
account credited. Now if Alice spent that same coin with Charlie, we
need to have the bank find it out. When Charlie deposits his data with
the bank, and the bank compares that with what Bob sent in, there must
be a red flag that goes up.
The fundamental requirement of preventing double spending implies that
Bob's and Charlie's data, when sent to the bank, has some correlation
which will identify the fact that they both come from the same coin.
It doesn't matter exactly what the form of this data is, or how it has
been blinded and stirred, but if double spending is to be detected
there must be a correlation which the bank can see.
But this correlation is what makes the coin traceable. Suppose Alice is
paying a coin to Bob via an anonymous network, and she and the bank
are going to try to figure out who he really is. She goes through the
payment transaction, and Bob sends his resulting data to the bank.
Before doing so, though, Alice simulates a payment of the same coin to
Charlie. Charlie doesn't actually have to be involved, Alice can just
go through what she would have done if she had spent the coin elsewhere.
The result of this simulated payment has been shared with the bank.
Now, when Bob deposits his data, the bank compares it with the data
Alice sent, the result of her simulated spending of the same coin. By
the argument presented above, Bob's deposit will be flagged. It will
correlate with the data Alice sent in since this will be the equivalent
of a double-spending. So when Bob makes the deposit he can be linked to
the specific coin payment which Alice made, and his anonymity is lost.
It would seem that any system which is capable of detecting double-
spending just from the information which the payees send in to the bank
would be vulnerable to this. Systems which use tamper-proof observer
chips to prevent double spending beforehand can avoid it, but of course
if someone breaks an observer the whole cash system might crash. In
general it does not look like payee anonymity is possible without giving
up other very important features.
Hal Finney
hfinney@shell.portal.com
NODE 70fe1e18Re: Why ecash is traceable
Bryce Wilcox <wilcoxb@nagina.cs.colorado.edu>Fri, 15 Sep 95 21:35:39 PDT
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Hal <hfinney@shell.portal.com> wrote:
>
> But this correlation is what makes the coin traceable. Suppose Alice is
> paying a coin to Bob via an anonymous network, and she and the bank
> are going to try to figure out who he really is. She goes through the
> payment transaction, and Bob sends his resulting data to the bank.
> Before doing so, though, Alice simulates a payment of the same coin to
> Charlie. Charlie doesn't actually have to be involved, Alice can just
> go through what she would have done if she had spent the coin elsewhere.
> The result of this simulated payment has been shared with the bank.
>
> Now, when Bob deposits his data, the bank compares it with the data
> Alice sent, the result of her simulated spending of the same coin. By
> the argument presented above, Bob's deposit will be flagged. It will
> correlate with the data Alice sent in since this will be the equivalent
> of a double-spending. So when Bob makes the deposit he can be linked to
> the specific coin payment which Alice made, and his anonymity is lost.
So Alice/TheBank are able to tell that the nym whom Alice gave the coin to
is the same as the nym who deposited it. If Bob has a pseudonymous
account at the bank, and it was the same pseudonymous account that he used in
the transaction with Alice, then they haven't learned anything new, but if he
wants to use one pseudonym when dealing with Alice and another to deposit the
coin he got from her then he has problems.
That's the extent of the damage, right? Seems like it can be prevented by
laundering the coin through a single pseudonym first. That is: Bob receives
the coin from Alice, calling himself "CyberBob". He deposits the coin with
the bank as a one-time-nym "Nym#2837004", then he has that nym withdraw the
same amount of money from its account (closing out the account) and transfers
it to the nym which will actually keep the money, "NormalBob". He destroys
the new blinding factors after the temporary nym has withdrawn the coin,
he deposits the coin with the bank as "NormalBob", and now he is in the clear.
Am I missing anything?
If Bob's transaction with Alice was actually pseudonymous rather than
anonymous then he can just deposit the coin using the same pseudonym and they
haven't learned anything new. Once he has done that he can safely transfer
the money to any other nym of his with no risk (except for traffic analysis,
physical surveillance, yadda yadda yadda).
So current (DigiCash "ecash") Chaumian protocol leads to complete
anonymity/pseudonymity (there oughta be a word for that.
"self-nym-control"?) in the case that pseudonymous accounts are allowed at
the Bank.
Now one could move this "double-blinding" (isn't that phrase already in
use?) trick into the cash protocol itself, possibly gaining a performance
win. DigiCash is apparently aware of this possibility, but (rightly)
doesn't consider it important to develop right now.
Regards,
Bryce
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NODE 7f929ebeRe: Why ecash is traceable
sameer <sameer@c2.org>Fri, 15 Sep 95 21:50:58 PDT
This looks as though you are simulating the
'deposit-and-get-coinage-back' within a
'deposit-and-have-account-credited' system.
I figure that they would make the transaction cost involved in
creating an account sufficiently high that this plan would be
defeated-- or they wouldn't allow psuedonymous accounts.
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