Re: Wearing RSA shirt to school

Grumpiness warning: I have held my tongue the past few months as all of
these "this t-shirt has been declared a munition!!!" messages went out, but
I can hold my tongue no longer.


At 4:43 AM 9/4/95, Futplex wrote:
>I wrote:
>> With respect to possession within the U.S., there aren't any
>> laws stopping you from waving strong cryptography around wherever you like
>> (at least, not yet).
>
>----
>...and in private email, Jim Ray pointed out that showing the shirt to a
>foreign national might technically violate ITAR...

Nope, no more so than letting a foreign national read Schneier's book is a
violation of the ITAR. If you dispute this, ask whether Schneier's book is
banned from export (the book, not the optional diskette). It isn't. Nor are
other cryptography _books_ banned from export.

I'm not minimizing the issue of export of machine-readable code, as in
diskettes. But to claim that a blurry, printed on cotton "barcode" is even
remotely in the same class as exporting a workable set of cryptographic
system routines, or that letting a furriner merely "gaze upon" this blurry
barcode, is a violation of the ITARs is laughable.


>Yeah, I suppose I overstated it a bit. It appears that if the ITAR do cover
>the shirt (unclear at present, AFAIK -- any news on the CJR, Raph ?), then
>flashing it at a furriner could constitute a violation. Thanks for the
>correction.

No. No more so than "flashing" a copy of a crypto book would constitute a
violation.

>
>The gist of my previous message remains: No local or state authority in the
>U.S. (of which I'm aware) classifies strong cryptography as a munition,
>weapon, etc. I haven't heard of any restrictions on transporting crypto
>across state lines, either. Unless the Feds start cracking down on high
>schools, or the Perl-RSA shirt somehow violates some school dress code, (gang
>colors ? ;)  the original questioner need not fret about his son wearing the
>shirt to school.

It was this series of posts about whether wearing the "munitions t-shirt"
near schools was a crime or not that made me think the silly season had
arrived. If the t-shirt is a munition, and books are munitions, then
libraries must be real "ammunition dumps," ready to explode at any minute.
News at 11.

Let's get real.

--Tim May

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Timothy C. May writes:

> Grumpiness warning: I have held my tongue the past few months as all of
> these "this t-shirt has been declared a munition!!!" messages went out, but
> I can hold my tongue no longer.
[...]

> It was this series of posts about whether wearing the "munitions t-shirt"
> near schools was a crime or not that made me think the silly season had
> arrived. If the t-shirt is a munition, and books are munitions, then
> libraries must be real "ammunition dumps," ready to explode at any minute.

"Printer's ink has been running a race against gunpowder these many, many
years. Ink is handicapped, in a way, because you can blow up a man with
gunpowder in half a second, while it may take twenty years to blow him up 
with a book. But the gunpowder destroys itself along with its victim, while
a book can keep on exploding for centuries."
  - Chistopher Morley, _The Haunted Bookshop_

Res ipsa loquitor. 


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