Re: "alt.cypherpunks" Newsgroup vs. Mailing List?

Although Tim is quite happy with Eudora's (or whatever it is)
email handeling techniques, I would also prefer a way in
which to use my Usenet tools on the cypherpunks list.

BUT

I think that making it a newgroup opens up the volume to
a level far beyond what it is now.  It will also result
in a far larger level of "noise" due mostly to cross-posts.

My plan is to gate cypherpunks to a local newsgroup
(local to my machine only) and read it that way.  Is 
it more work for me that way? - yes, but I'ld prefer to 
do the extra work required than loose what this group
has as a mailing list.

Now - if someone wants to start a seperate alt.cypherpunks
group, but *NOT* gateway this list to it - be my guest.
People can then vote with their feet which is the better
"medium" or transport method.

Dan
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Dan Oelke                                  Alcatel Network Systems
droelke@aud.alcatel.com                             Richardson, TX

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Several people are working on improvements to netnews which allow more active
filtering.  The most promising techniques that I have heard about involve a
lot of "ratings" being generated by readers and then taken into account by
other readers when filtering/sorting the articles.


I am perfectly happy with the social scene on the cypherpunks list as is, and
I think those who want to move to a newsgroup don't know what they are asking
for.  (Go read sci.crypt and talk.politics.crypto for awhile.  I expect an
"alt.cypherpunks" would be indistinguishable from those two in short order.)


BUT, I was thinking that this group (I mean, this group of people) would make
an excellent group to test this new technology.  Think about it:  Perry
Metzger could routinely give conspiracy articles/authors a "-10" rating, and
those of us who agreed with him could set our "Perry coefficients" to
indicate the degree to which we agree with his evaluations.  Thus we might
actually gain a *higher* SNR by moving to UseNet.  (And it would provide an
exciting example of reputations in action...)


I don't know if the technology is there yet, or if it is accessible to most
of our readers.  One person who is working on such a scheme is "(cm)", or 
"na48985@anon.penet.fi".  I have added his name to the Cc: line so perhaps he
would be so kind as to tell us about his "NoCeM" ("No see 'em!") software.


Bryce

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> 
> Several people are working on improvements to netnews which allow more active
> filtering.  The most promising techniques that I have heard about involve a
> lot of "ratings" being generated by readers and then taken into account by
> other readers when filtering/sorting the articles.
<
> I don't know if the technology is there yet, or if it is accessible to most
> of our readers.  One person who is working on such a scheme is "(cm)", or 
> "na48985@anon.penet.fi".  I have added his name to the Cc: line so perhaps he
> would be so kind as to tell us about his "NoCeM" ("No see 'em!") software.


(Please note the new email address-- moose@cm.org).

I apologize for the delay in responding to your message -- I will be
putting a lot of information about NoCeM up on http://www.cm.org in
the next day or so.  You can also find information in the newsgroup
alt.nocem.misc (if you get it).

If these don't work for you, feel free to write to me, and I'd be
happy to send you whatever you need.

(cm)

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Please note new address: moose@cm.org

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"Cancelmoose[tm]" <moose@cm.org> wrote:
>
> I apologize for the delay in responding to your message -- I will be
> putting a lot of information about NoCeM up on http://www.cm.org in
> the next day or so.  You can also find information in the newsgroup
> alt.nocem.misc (if you get it).
> 
> If these don't work for you, feel free to write to me, and I'd be
> happy to send you whatever you need.


I've had a look at the web site and it looks really interesting.  It would
make a great project if a bunch of cypherpunks installed NoCeM and then piped
the list to a newsgroup.  We could then develop reputation servers to help us
use NoCeM, start charging cyberbucks for our recommendations, and, in short,
make cpunks into a slightly larger outpost in Cyberlibertaria.  (a.k.a. The
Free Net)


Bryce

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bryce@colorado.edu   http://ugrad-www.cs.colorado.edu/~wilcoxb/Niche.html

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Bryce Wilcox <wilcoxb@nag.cs.colorado.edu> writes:
> I've had a look at the web site and it looks really interesting.  It would
> make a great project if a bunch of cypherpunks installed NoCeM and then piped
> the list to a newsgroup.  We could then develop reputation servers to help us
> use NoCeM, start charging cyberbucks for our recommendations, and, in short,
> make cpunks into a slightly larger outpost in Cyberlibertaria.  (a.k.a. The
> Free Net)

This sounds like a very good idea to me too. 

:)

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Dr. Dimitri Vulis
Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

> It would make a great project if a bunch of cypherpunks installed
> NoCeM and then piped the list to a newsgroup.  We could then develop
> reputation servers to help us use NoCeM, start charging cyberbucks for
> our recommendations, and, in short, make cpunks into a slightly larger
> outpost in Cyberlibertaria. (a.k.a. The Free Net)

The IETF "Voluntary Access Control" working group could probably use a few
more people who are interested in the type of access control enabled by
reputation servers, as opposed to the type of access control imposed by
censorship servers.  Subscribe to the mailing list via
vac-wg-request@naic.nasa.gov. 

--apb (Alan Barrett)