Re: Netscape rewards are an insult

Responding to msg by stripes@va.pubnix.com ("Josh M. Osborne") 
on Sun, 15 Oct 12:0  AM


The PR of Bugs Bounty is the aim, as the quick-market-adapter 
Netscape Chair speechified in FR.


Promoting the notion that hackers are earnestly attacking 
Netscape and reporting its bugs increases its credibility to 
the stock market porkers. Is that not why dear 
all-too-attentive Jeff has been assigned duty on this list, 
feeding peanuts to chimp hackers and champ newshacks?

John Young wrote:
> 
> Responding to msg by stripes@va.pubnix.com ("Josh M. Osborne")
> on Sun, 15 Oct 12:0  AM
> 
> The PR of Bugs Bounty is the aim, as the quick-market-adapter
> Netscape Chair speechified in FR.
> 
> Promoting the notion that hackers are earnestly attacking
> Netscape and reporting its bugs increases its credibility to
> the stock market porkers. Is that not why dear
> all-too-attentive Jeff has been assigned duty on this list,
> feeding peanuts to chimp hackers and champ newshacks?

  I have not been "assigned duty" on this list.  I'm here of my
own free will.  I want to keep up on whats going on in the
cypherpunk world, and sometimes tap the expertise of the list.
I'm not some corporate flack assigned here to "feed the chimps".
My personal feelings definitely lean toward unimpeded strong
crypto, personal privacy, freedom from govt. surveilence, etc.,
and I was interested in this stuff at a personal level before
joining netscape, or working on security stuff.

	--Jeff

-- 
Jeff Weinstein - Electronic Munitions Specialist
Netscape Communication Corporation
jsw@netscape.com - http://home.netscape.com/people/jsw
Any opinions expressed above are mine.

> 
> 
> Responding to msg by stripes@va.pubnix.com ("Josh M. Osborne") 
> on Sun, 15 Oct 12:0  AM
> 
> 
> The PR of Bugs Bounty is the aim, as the quick-market-adapter 
> Netscape Chair speechified in FR.
> 
> 
> Promoting the notion that hackers are earnestly attacking 
> Netscape and reporting its bugs increases its credibility to 
> the stock market porkers. Is that not why dear 
> all-too-attentive Jeff has been assigned duty on this list, 
> feeding peanuts to chimp hackers and champ newshacks?

Sir.

I'm afraid you're a little out of line here.
I've worked with Jeff at a couple different companies
over the last 6 years.  Besides being a very good programmer
he's also one of the people I consider the most resistant
to corportate bullstuff (beleive me, we both got a lot of it at MicroUnity). 
I'm sure he's on this list because he thinks it's a good
idea to pay attention to it.


What the hell is wrong with you people?  Up 'til a few months
ago, the oft-heard refrain on cipherpunks was "why won't the
software vendors listen to us?"... now they're listening, and
pretty much all I see is complaints of "only a lousy thousand bucks!"
or "I sent this mail a whole two days ago and netscape hasn't opened
a dialog with me yet!"  or insulting their programmers for participating
on the list.   They're here, and listening, with real programmers
not PR weenies, and all most of you are doing is complaining.  


Yes, Netscrape turned getting hacked into a PR campaign via
the Bounty thing.  So?  You expected different?  PR is what
businesses do if they want to stay in business.   If you don't like
it you don't have to participate in the program.  If you think
that the token $1000 is insulting, you can give it to charity, or
go sell your hack for more $$ to Blacknet. :-)



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> Eric Murray <ericm@lne.com> writes:
> What the hell is wrong with you people?  Up 'til a few months
> ago, the oft-heard refrain on cipherpunks was "why won't the

What do you mean "you people"?  There are <lots> of people on this list,
with lots of different opinions.  Don't attribute this kvetching to
Cypherpunks in general.  In fact, don't attribute <any> opinion to
Cypherpunks in general.  Probably most of the non-press members here share
an interest in helping people communicate privately, but that's about it.

We're all individuals here.
				[small voice in back of crowd: "I'm not."]

	Jim Gillogly
	24 Winterfilth S.R. 1995, 18:46

On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Eric Murray wrote:

> What the hell is wrong with you people?  Up 'til a few months
> ago, the oft-heard refrain on cipherpunks was "why won't the
> software vendors listen to us?"

I have to agree with Eric.  We now have software vendors talking about 
releasing more security source, taking bug reports seriously, etc.
We are winning for crypto here.

-Thomas

> On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Eric Murray wrote:
> 
> > What the hell is wrong with you people?  Up 'til a few months
> > ago, the oft-heard refrain on cipherpunks was "why won't the
> > software vendors listen to us?"
> 
> I have to agree with Eric.  We now have software vendors talking about 
> releasing more security source, taking bug reports seriously, etc.
> We are winning for crypto here.

Lets see if we can't get Microsoft some bad press. If they were to
start taking the quality of their software seriously, we would be
winning one for god, the queen, and the common good of all man kind.

Christopher