NODE 6aa8c835Re: Barring access to Netscape
Frank Stuart <fstuart@vetmed.auburn.edu>Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:32:59 +0800
>If Netscape really does go the GAK route, I will unilaterally
>do this to the Cypherpunk Archives (or something similar, like every
>request flashing up briefly and then client-pulling the GAK pages).
After talking to a couple of people, and playing around some, this seems
to be a better choice. That way, you can actually send information (including
a list of where to get other browsers) instead of just garbage to netscape
users. Is anyone aware of browsers other than Netscape that do client pulls?
A simple filter to do (and undo) this would still be useful, I think so that
users can easily fix all their documents. Fortunately, that would be very
easy to write.
>I've been told that many media-types go to the archives whenever c'punks
>make the news. How much of an effect do y'all think it'll have if they
>can't do it with Netscape?
>
>Shouldn't be too hard to hack this into Apache.
That's not a bad idea either. Hopefully, Netscape will post a retraction
(soon!) and none of this will be necessary.
Frank Stuart | (Admiral Grace) Hopper's Law:
fstuart@vetmed.auburn.edu | It's easier to get forgiveness than permission.
NODE cfeed317Re: Barring access to Netscape
sameer <sameer@c2.org>Sat, 2 Dec 1995 01:55:55 +0800
> >
> >Shouldn't be too hard to hack this into Apache.
Should my commercial release of Apache/SSL include this? ;-)
(I could make it into a configuration option, so that if the
User-Agent is Mozilla, it passes Back a Refresh: header with the
response....)
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NODE 0d508aa3Code to detect netscape & send a message (was Re: Barring access to Netscape)
"Josh M. Osborne" <stripes@va.pubnix.com>Sun, 3 Dec 95 10:02:21 PST
In message <199512010917.DAA28429@snoopy.vetmed.auburn.edu>, Frank Stuart write
s:
[...client-pull...]
>After talking to a couple of people, and playing around some, this seems
>to be a better choice. That way, you can actually send information (including
>a list of where to get other browsers) instead of just garbage to netscape
>users. Is anyone aware of browsers other than Netscape that do client pulls?
There is at least one. However if you can have server-side includes, check
out: http://www.va.pubnix.com/staff/stripes/nstest.shtml
There is sample source for a netscape tester, and an example of it.
If you can't do server side includes, try this (code not written):
Add the client pull META tag to all your documents, have the client
pull "/cgi-bin/bad-mozilla-no-mozilla-biscut". That script should
check the browser type (so it can avoid anoying users of the few
non-Mozilla browsers that do client-pull). Remember that a browser
type of "Mozilla/1.22 (compatible; MSIE 2.0B; Windows 95)" (or similiar)
is *not* netscape. If the browser type indicates a browser type you
don't want to anoy you can just re-send the document that the PATH_TRANSLATED
env. variable points to. If the browser type indicates a netscape product,
then you can take your choice of actions:
* Prepend
"<A HREF="explain_gaK.html>netscape supports GAK, and that's bad</A>"
to the document (you need to do slightly more then that - since you
need to emit the normat document up to <BODY>, then your text, then
the origanal document again, so you might go for the next option)
* Append
"<A HREF="explain_gaK.html>netscape supports GAK, and that's bad</A>"
to the tail of the document (this works fine unless you have a
</HTML> at the end - which almost nobody has).
* Only give the "netscape sucks" message. I don't think this is a good
idea since it it easyer to hammer your point across if people keep
seeing the message then if they can't see your page, and decide to go
elsewhere.
[...]
>That's not a bad idea either. Hopefully, Netscape will post a retraction
>(soon!) and none of this will be necessary.
Indeed, I hope so. Even if the retraction is formed internally by people
going "Jim, this is going to put us at odds with the people who put up
content, and gennerate bad press. It might be a better idea to try to
stand up agenst GAK then go with it.". (and for the record, yes I do think
there is a signifigant chance that the whole GAK thing is a mis-interpration).