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NODE 7dd88dccRemote use=export?
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I apologize if this is a dead horse, but...

Is granting use of crypto software running in the US to a remote user
outside the US considered exportation?  For example, if allow my friend in
Paris to use a PGP binary residing and running on my PC in Washington, is
either of us violating any ITAR or similar restrictions?
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NODE 26fc8924Re: Remote use=export?
Jeff Gehlbach writes:

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: I apologize if this is a dead horse, but...
: 
: Is granting use of crypto software running in the US to a remote user
: outside the US considered exportation?  For example, if allow my friend in
: Paris to use a PGP binary residing and running on my PC in Washington, is
: either of us violating any ITAR or similar restrictions?

Nothing about the ITAR is unambiguous, but since what is forbidden is
``exporting'', which includes ``disclosing to foreign persons'', and
since use is not forbidden, it is hard to see how what you suggest
could violate the ITAR.  (And I don't know of any other U.S. law or
regulation that it could violate.)

On the other hand, it may violate French law, which, or so I
understand, does forbid the use of crypto unless the keys are made
available to the French government.  But I really don't know anything
about French law.

--
Peter D. Junger--Case Western Reserve University Law School--Cleveland, OH
Internet:  junger@pdj2-ra.f-remote.cwru.edu    junger@samsara.law.cwru.edu
NODE ddb6bdacRe: Remote use=export?
> Jeff Gehlbach writes:
> 
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> : 
> : I apologize if this is a dead horse, but...
> : 
> : Is granting use of crypto software running in the US to a remote user
> : outside the US considered exportation?  For example, if allow my friend in
> : Paris to use a PGP binary residing and running on my PC in Washington, is
> : either of us violating any ITAR or similar restrictions?
> 
> Nothing about the ITAR is unambiguous, but since what is forbidden is
> ``exporting'', which includes ``disclosing to foreign persons'', and
> since use is not forbidden, it is hard to see how what you suggest
> could violate the ITAR.  (And I don't know of any other U.S. law or
> regulation that it could violate.)

If memory serves, Digital Equipment Corp was obliged to remove a
demonstration supercomputer from the net.  The argument was that
Iraqis could telnet into it (it had free guest accounts) and run
nuclear weapons simulations on it.  Some of the list members
probably remember the details.
NODE fdfca226Re: Remote use=export?
On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Jeff Gehlbach wrote:

> 
> Is granting use of crypto software running in the US to a remote user
> outside the US considered exportation?  For example, if allow my friend in

Not export, but disclosure, and hence a violation.