Re: FW: websurfer 4.6

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Anonymous wrote:

> Not surprising. They confuse random doodling with software, too.
> 
> The real problem with NetManage is a severe case of brain death.

My, thanks for your opinion.

It may interest you to know that Microsoft recently licensed a bunch of 
stuff from NetManage (San Jose Merc, no real details given).

- -rich
- ---
[This message has been signed by an auto-signing service.  A valid signature
means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the
signature and forwarded.]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.6.2
Comment: Gratis auto-signing service

iQBFAwUBMMdKlSoZzwIn1bdtAQGYYgF8CIf5Trt1E5YdMCna43irv5MeGgFnzSvP
KXQ0ZR22U9MqbFAbrTjVKUB4ojC30lwo
=+3ha
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Rich Graves wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Anonymous wrote:
> 
> > Not surprising. They confuse random doodling with software, too.
> > 
> > The real problem with NetManage is a severe case of brain death.
> 
> My, thanks for your opinion.
> 
> It may interest you to know that Microsoft recently licensed a bunch of 
> stuff from NetManage (San Jose Merc, no real details given).
> 
> - -rich

Another interesting tid bit is thta the code for Microsfot Internet
Explorer is licensed from Spry which has lincensed Java from Sun so
theoricly Microsoft will get Java for free (so to speak) now the question
is wheather they will be stupid enough to strip it out of their product
because they want to push VB.

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 
Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61  8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01

On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Aleph One wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Rich Graves wrote:
> > 
> > It may interest you to know that Microsoft recently licensed a bunch of 
> > stuff from NetManage (San Jose Merc, no real details given).
> 
> Another interesting tid bit is thta the code for Microsfot Internet
> Explorer is licensed from Spry which has lincensed Java from Sun so
> theoricly Microsoft will get Java for free (so to speak) now the question
> is wheather they will be stupid enough to strip it out of their product
> because they want to push VB.

And the answer, if you believe what they say, is in a series of 
PowerPoint presentations and speech transcripts on Microsoft's Web
server.

  http://www.microsoft.com/internet/

I found Bill Gates' presentation rather amusing because he uses the term
"broadband" to mean "high bandwidth." He seems to have gotten confused
because ATM is supposed to be both. 

The bit on server tools says Microsoft plans to do everything. Doesn't 
look like they've really decided on anything.

Microsoft Internet Explorer will become the browser choice for everyone.

Microsoft Network will ensure that its content is fully accessible to any 
browser.

Microsoft's strategy is to support VB.

Microsoft's strategy is to support Java.

Microsoft's strategy is to support Blackbird.

Microsoft's strategy is to support HTML and VRML.

Microsoft supports Internet and Windows Standards (the latter are not 
defined).

The pictures were pretty, though, especially in the Maritz piece. (Which
was actually prepared by Bill Conte... how convenient that MS Office 
saves the author's name and other summary information by default.)

-rich

On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Rich Graves wrote:

[snip]
> Microsoft's strategy is to support VB.
[snip]
> -rich
> 

Its interesting to note that all the people that were raving mad about Java
seem to be quiet now that MS is proposing to use VB. At least Java was 
designed from the ground up with security in mind. But VB? Actual binary
DDL running around. Just as an explame look at Oracles new PowerBrowers.
They have what they call CSP (or client side processing) which are just that
VB DDL's that you keep in your machine and if you dont have one d/l.
Now their docs say that once you download all it does is warn you
so you can authenticate it and scan it for viruses. This is not good.
Wanna bet who many people dont? And this is not like Netscape plug ins.
Where Netscapes plug ins are ment to handle major content types (like 
streaming video) and you would get them from a company that then you can sue,
CPS are ment to be used anywhere fron plugins type apps down to Java type 
applets like a ticker tape (their exmaple).

Also not that Oracle included BASIC as their client side scripting language.
By readin gthe web pages I saw that the scripts seem to have access
to the clients history, profile, et la. Anyone for a "Hack Oracle Content"?
I will d/l today an play with it, if I mind by guess true who will give
me a t-shirt?

Aleph One / aleph1@dfw.net
http://underground.org/
KeyID 1024/948FD6B5 
Fingerprint EE C9 E8 AA CB AF 09 61  8C 39 EA 47 A8 6A B8 01