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NODE f8f07703nsa and netscape
The following came from a government source. I thought it might be of
  interest. 
                       Bob
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     At yesterdays FNC  (Federal Networking Council) meeting it was 
     mentioned in passing that NSA has given Netscape a grant of $5 Million 
     (yes $5M) to beef up the security features of Netscape. More info will 
     be forthcoming on this.
NODE c9a75c39Re: nsa and netscape
"beef up". "Yeah, Skipjack is much more secure than RC4-40..."

> 
> 
>   The following came from a government source. I thought it might be of
>   interest. 
>                        Bob
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> 
>      At yesterdays FNC  (Federal Networking Council) meeting it was 
>      mentioned in passing that NSA has given Netscape a grant of $5 Million 
>      (yes $5M) to beef up the security features of Netscape. More info will 
>      be forthcoming on this.
> 


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NODE 2d093aa2Re: nsa and netscape
//      At yesterdays FNC  (Federal Networking Council) meeting it was 
//      mentioned in passing that NSA has given Netscape a grant of $5 Million 
//      (yes $5M) to beef up the security features of Netscape. More info will 
//      be forthcoming on this.

This isn't all that surprising.  The NSA likes Fortezza, and Netscape has
announced that they will be supporting Fortezza based authentication. 
This was first made public in the SSL v3 draft circulated many months ago.

FORTEZZA support is virtually required for any sort of new network
authentication within the US DoD.  

The DoD pie is rather large, and I don't blame Netscape for trying to get
a piece of it.  One can support FORTEZZA without giving in to GAK for
non-FORTEZZA users.

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NODE f228d69fRe: nsa and netscape
Bob Bruen writes:
# At yesterdays FNC  (Federal Networking Council) meeting it was 
# mentioned in passing that NSA has given Netscape a grant of $5 Million 
# (yes $5M) to beef up the security features of Netscape. More info will 
# be forthcoming on this.

david d `zoo' zuhn writes:
> FORTEZZA support is virtually required for any sort of new network
> authentication within the US DoD.  
> 
> The DoD pie is rather large, and I don't blame Netscape for trying to get
> a piece of it.  One can support FORTEZZA without giving in to GAK for
> non-FORTEZZA users.

For the moment I am inclined to agree that there's nothing terribly sinister
about this. I've just been flipping through
<a href="http://www.fnc.gov/fisp_sec_contents.html">the FNC's draft Federal 
Internet Security Plan (FISP)</a>. In particular it mentions:

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4.2 Internet Security Technology Development



     The IETF and other activities are currently expanding their efforts to
     develop and deploy technology standards to meet the growing security 
     needs of the Internet. However, these efforts must be accelerated and 
     facilitated by Government, since the Government has as much, if not
     more, interest in increasing the level of security capability in the 
     Internet as does any other segment of society.
[...]
Enhance Internet Application Security

     A number of key Internet applications have become central to agencies' 
     increasing Internet activities. Such key applications should be examined
     and, where appropriate, strengthened to the extent possible. Among the 
     applications that require high-priority attention are the following:
[...]
     Public Information Servers - Second only to email is the expanding use of
     Internet-based public information server methods, most visibly the World 
     Wide Web and the associated Mosaic/Linx client applications. 
     Unfortunately, there are a number of known security vulnerabilities 
     associated with the use of these applications.
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I definitely do _not_ get a sense from anything in this document that 
installing GAK mechanisms is a major concern of the project. The NSA appears
to have a few people involved with the FNC, but not a great visible presence.

-Futplex <futplex@pseudonym.com>
NODE 6042d31bRe: nsa and netscape
Bob Bruen, MIT Lab for Nuclear Science wrote:
> 
>   The following came from a government source. I thought it might be of
>   interest.
>                        Bob
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>      At yesterdays FNC  (Federal Networking Council) meeting it was
>      mentioned in passing that NSA has given Netscape a grant of $5 Million
>      (yes $5M) to beef up the security features of Netscape. More info will
>      be forthcoming on this.

  This is not strictly true.  The NSA has given us a contract to add
support for Fortezza to some of our products, including servers and
navigators.  The amount was less than $5M, but I'm not sure that I
should say how much it was.

  One of the things we hope to get out of this work is an architecture
for our products that allows us to easily support other crypto hardware,
including devices that don't use Secret algorithms, and don't require
key-escrow.

	--Jeff

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Any opinions expressed above are mine.