Re: Denning's misleading statements

>I've never met Dorothy Denning, so I hesitate to characterize
>her as a
>villainess. But certainly she's the only noted cryptographer I
>know of
>who's gone so far out on a limb to defend a position the vast
>majority of
>computer scientists, civil libertarians, and cryptographers
>scoff at. (And
>I don't just mean it is we libertarians and civil libertarians
>who are
>scoffing, I mean that nearly every noted expert who has
>carefully reviewed
>the various schemes to control crypto and to provide GAK has
>found them to
>be essentially unenforceable except via draconian police state
>methods, and
>maybe not even then.)

I believe that David Gelerntner, the professor of computer
science at Yale University injured by a UNABOMBER bomb, is also
a supporter of the Clipper chip. This may or may not be
something that arose from the bombing. But I'm not sure how many
cavaets and things he adds to his position. He may have changed
it. But then he's not exactly a cryptographer.

But, on the other side of the fence, I just passed a section in
_Takedown_ where Shimomura and the FBI agents decide that the
best place for the Clipper phones is "in the trunk." Apparently
they don't communicate with regular phones so they were
practically worthless.

-Peter

On Sun, 28 Jan 1996, Peter Wayner wrote:

> I believe that David Gelerntner, the professor of computer
> science at Yale University injured by a UNABOMBER bomb, is also
> a supporter of the Clipper chip. This may or may not be
> something that arose from the bombing. But I'm not sure how many
> cavaets and things he adds to his position. He may have changed
> it. But then he's not exactly a cryptographer.

There's quite a few folks in the Yale CS department that are pro-Clipper
or fence sitters.  They justify it in class by claiming that law
enforcement needs these abilities if LE is to remain effective. 

FWIW, Gerlernter is in the Parallel group here.

Ben.
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Peter Wayner wrote:

| But, on the other side of the fence, I just passed a section in
| _Takedown_ where Shimomura and the FBI agents decide that the
| best place for the Clipper phones is "in the trunk." Apparently
| they don't communicate with regular phones so they were
| practically worthless.

	The AT&T 3600c does interoperate.  I posted to Cypherpunks
about them shortly after the HOPE conference in NYC in August 94.
Check the archives for the full post, but they start a conversation as
normal phones, you hit a button, and one unit sends touch tones for
2587, and they start encrypting.

http://www.hks.net/cpunks/cpunks-7/0191.html

Adam

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