NOISE: Borenstein's Fatal Spam (Was: Plonk, Dr. Fred)

please don't try to make sensible replies to this type of tar-baby
garbage.  What's the point in arguing with someone who only wants 
you to argue with them and make sure you spell their name right?

First Virtual, you lost a lot of ground with me.
(sounds like others feel the same way, too).

... that sucking sound is your reputation capital being
snarfed off your keyboard and encrypted by tempest-bots
lurking just under your tinfoil helmet.  I'd be worried.

The corrupted keyboard buffer of 
"W. Kinney" <kinney@bogart.Colorado.EDU> wrote: 
 . . .
> Followed by an hysterical essay on how FV has "discovered" the keyboard
> sniffer. Oh, please. You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

To which FV's own replied:

I trust you've seen by now that we made no claim to have discovered
keyboard sniffers.  Please read our claims more carefully, and I'd be
delighted to discuss them rationally.  -- Nathaniel
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

delighted to discuss them at all, I would bet.  Anyone interested
in a discussion of whether or not keyboard sniffers work?

a pox on your virtual house for a bad spam, poorly aimed at this
list, in particular. 
NEVER TYPE CYPHERPUNKS@TOAD.COM IN THE TO: LINE

A number of people have written words to the
effect of:
  First Virtual, you lost a lot of ground with me.
  (sounds like others feel the same way, too).

I disagree. I think there is a big difference
between "knowing theoretically that X, Y and Z
are possible" and "look, I have a program that
does X, Y and Z in a certain order, and very
fast, and surprisingly successfully, and this has
major implications for the banking community".

I compare nsb's "meaning" as I understand it to
that of the paper out of Berkeley a few months
ago, which basically said "We've known for a long
time how IP snooping and replacement attacks could
theoretically succeed; here's a program that
inserts trojan horses while binaries flow across
the wire based on it." That was applauded as a
very meaningful result, even though the media
instantly picked up on it and blew it up.

I think most of the problem here is that we heard
about it in media words first, and in a reasoned
argument second. That's life. 

This is my first (and last) contribution to the
discussion. Sorry to add to the verbiage. I hope
FV and Nathaniel (as well as everyone else) keeps
working on things like this.

Greg.

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